Zero Errors in Vernier Calipers and Micrometer Screw Gauge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of zero errors in vernier calipers and micrometer screw gauges, focusing on how to correct measurements based on these errors. Participants explore the definitions and implications of positive and negative zero errors, as well as the appropriate methods for correcting readings.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the instructions in their notes regarding whether to add or subtract errors when correcting measurements, particularly in the context of zero errors.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of clear language when discussing errors, noting that systematic errors can arise from misplacement of the vernier scale, affecting the readings.
  • Some participants assert that errors should always be subtracted from measurements, but the sign of the error must be considered to determine the correct adjustment.
  • There is a reiteration that in cases of positive zero error, the apparent measurement is greater than the actual value, while in negative zero error, the apparent measurement is less, leading to different correction methods.
  • A later reply critiques the phrase "subtract ... with sign," suggesting it may be unclear or misleading, especially for non-native speakers.
  • One participant introduces the concept of parallax error as a common issue in measurements, suggesting that it can be controlled with proper techniques.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correction methods for zero errors, with some asserting that errors should always be subtracted while others highlight the need to consider the sign of the error. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the correction instructions in the notes.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of terminology used regarding "error," which may lead to confusion. Additionally, the discussion does not resolve the specifics of how to apply corrections based on the type of zero error.

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Hi, I have a question to ask.
On my notes that my teacher gave me, he said that there are some errors in the notes. He had not responded to me which are the errors yet but he said about zero errors in vernier calipers and micrometer screw gauge.

The question is:
On my notes, it says that:

Vernier Calipers

1. Positive zero error occurs when the ‘0’ marking of the vernier scale appears after the ‘0’ marking of the main scale. The error is +x cm. To correct the reading, we subtract the error from the measurement.

2. Negative zero error occurs when the ‘0’ marking of the vernier scale appears before the ‘0’ marking of the main scale. The error is -(0.1-y) cm. To correct the reading, we subtract the error from the measurement.Micrometer Screw Gauge

1. Positive zero error occurs when the ‘0’ marking of the thimble scale is below the horizontal reference line of the main scale. The error is +x mm. To correct the reading, we subtract the error from the measurement.

2. Negative zero error occurs when the ‘0’ marking of the thimble scale is below the horizontal reference line of the main scale. The error is -(0.1-y) mm. To correct the reading, we subtract the error from the measurement.

The problem lies in the sentence: To correct the reading, we subtract/add the error from the measurement.

About the subtracts in all the sentence, may I know which one should be add instead of subtract?

Thanks! :)
 
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When talking about errors it is important to use a clear language.
The word "error" can mean so many different things in science.

Your teacher was telling you that there are some mistakes in the text of the notes.
In the section on experimental uncertainty, it talks about systematic errors due to misplacement of the vernier scale. (The manufacturer mistakenly placed the vernier too high or too low.)

The misplacement of the vernier will make the reading too big or too small and you have to correct the measurement for that.

To know if you add or subtract, work out if the misplacement will cause the reading to be too big or too small.
 
Error is always subtracted from the measurement but it is important to remember that the value of the error must be put with its sign. In positive zero error, the value is more than the actual measurement therefore on subtracting we get the actual value. In negative zero error, the apparent value is less than the actual value therefore on subtracting, the negative sign becomes positive and we obtain the real value. This concept is followed in other instruments also like screw gauge and spherometers.
 
Laksh Arora said:
Error is always subtracted from the measurement but it is important to remember that the value of the error must be put with its sign. In positive zero error, the value is more than the actual measurement therefore on subtracting we get the actual value. In negative zero error, the apparent value is less than the actual value therefore on subtracting, the negative sign becomes positive and we obtain the real value. This concept is followed in other instruments also like screw gauge and spherometers.
This concept removes the confusion of when to add or when to subtract. Just subtract the error with sign.
 
Incorrect or misleading concepts often lend a sense of certainty.
This would be a poor treatment of statistical errors, mistakes, and systematic errors where the reading is too low. ( please see post #2 on different mmeanings of "error").

Note: "subtract ... with sign" does not mean anything. Perhaps English is a second language? It can trip you up like that.
 

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