Zero-point energy stops space shrinking?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of zero-point energy on the dynamics of space, particularly whether it can prevent space from shrinking. It involves theoretical considerations related to Einstein's Field equations, the Casimir effect, and the properties of vacuum energy.

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  • One participant presents Einstein's Field equations and discusses how zero-point energy could theoretically stop space from shrinking by analyzing the equation of state for electromagnetic radiation and zero-point energy.
  • Another participant challenges the assumptions regarding boundary conditions in a hypothetical region of space, arguing that the net flow of energy being zero does not impose limits on allowed wavelengths.
  • A later reply supports the previous argument, emphasizing that the zero-point energy of a vacuum must be Lorentz invariant, suggesting that this leads to the condition p = -ρ.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of Lorentz invariance for vacuum energy, prompting further exploration of the topic.
  • One participant asserts that the energy of the vacuum is determined by the laws of physics, which are Lorentz covariant, thus reinforcing the argument for Lorentz invariance.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of zero-point energy and its relationship to Lorentz invariance, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

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Participants discuss the implications of hypothetical constructs and boundary conditions, as well as the nature of vacuum energy, without resolving the underlying assumptions or mathematical intricacies involved.

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According to John Baez,

Einstein's Field equations can be written in the following form:

V'' / V = - 1/2 (rho + P_x + P_y + P_z)

(http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/einstein/node3.html

where

V is the volume of a small region of space,
rho is the energy density
P_x, P_y, P_z is the pressure in the x,y,z directions of space.
The second derivative is in terms of the proper time and the equation is valid at t=0.
and the units are such that 8 Pi G = 1 and c = 1.

Now the equation of state of isotropic electromagnetic radiation (a photon gas) is:

P = rho / 3

Consider a small region of space. If no zero-point energy is flowing out of the region then the zero point modes inside that region must be zero on the surface of the region. Thus only modes with wavelengths that fit inside the region are allowed. This implies that there is more zero point energy at points just outside the region than at points inside the region. Thus there is an inward electromagnetic pressure on the region - this is the Casimir effect.

Thus for zero-point electromagnetic energy the equation of state is:

P = - rho / 3

If you plug this into Einstein's field equations you find:

V'' / V = - 1/2 (rho - rho/3 - rho/3 - rho/3) = 0

Thus the zero-point energy has just the right qualities to stop space beginning to shrink!

Of course you can get the same effect if rho = 0 and P = 0. But this trivial solution is not consistent with quantum field theory's prediction of the existence of zero-point energy.
 
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johne1618 said:
Consider a small region of space. If no zero-point energy is flowing out of the region then the zero point modes inside that region must be zero on the surface of the region. Thus only modes with wavelengths that fit inside the region are allowed. This implies that there is more zero point energy at points just outside the region than at points inside the region. Thus there is an inward electromagnetic pressure on the region - this is the Casimir effect.
Since your region of space is only a hypothetical construct, you can't impose arbitrary boundary conditions upon it. In this case, you can only claim that the net flow of energy is zero, which doesn't place any limits on the wavelengths allowed.

Instead, the zero point energy of a vacuum must be Lorentz invariant, and the only way for that to be the case is if [itex]p = -\rho[/itex].
 
That is a great answer, chalnoth.
 
Chalnoth said:
Instead, the zero point energy of a vacuum must be Lorentz invariant, and the only way for that to be the case is if [itex]p = -\rho[/itex].

Why must the zero point energy of a vacuum be Lorentz invariant?
 
johne1618 said:
Why must the zero point energy of a vacuum be Lorentz invariant?
The energy of the vacuum is set by the laws of physics, not by the matter content of the universe. And the laws of physics are Lorentz covariant.
 

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