Not that I'd do anything illegal, but hypothetically... [Archive]

tribdog

Mar27-04, 02:54 AM

Remember how napster worked? Now that they are no longer around what are the best substitutes? I used to use mIRC for all my file sharing needs, now I have Shareazza. Is there anything out there better? Shareazza almost works great, there just aren't quite enough users out there. So some files can only be partially downloaded before the person I'm getting the file from goes offline, and sometimes there aren't any other sources to choose from.

meteor

Mar27-04, 03:13 AM

I use Kazaa. I have today downloaded Maple 7 (32 Mb)
Just in this moment there are 470 million of files shared in Kazaa

Ps: I could also have downloaded Maple 8, but in this moment I only have 150 Mb free in my hard disk, and maple 8 is 96 MB in size. So... :frown:

Anyway, I do not think that Maple 8 can be much better than maple 7

Mr. Robin Parsons

Mar27-04, 08:05 PM

Don't know, as I haven't my own computer, but I do know from reading a little bit at "Symantecs" site, that Kazaa et al run you risks if your not reeeeal careful, and on computers, nobodies really (ever) careful enough....have Fun!

www.symantec.com

The_Professional

Mar28-04, 01:26 AM

There are some anonymous p2p networks, there was one featured at techtv. I'm too sleepy to search for it so good luck. Or just download Kazaalite and the new version called Kazaa Resurrection.

tribdog

Mar28-04, 01:00 PM

There are some anonymous p2p networks, there was one featured at techtv. I'm too sleepy to search for it so good luck. Or just download Kazaalite and the new version called Kazaa Resurrection.

lol, if you are too tired to search for it turn off your computer and go to bed. Never let it be said tribdog contributed to anyone's lack of sleep. I'll take it from here and thank you.
Although now that I think about it, I've spent most of my adult life trying to get people to go to bed, without much success. Even Rip V. Winkle said "You go to bed without me, I'll sleep when I'm dead." and one or two prostitutes have told me "Keep your money. I'd rather have Pimp Rico slap me around than go to bed with you." But I digress. Thanks for the info and sleep if you wanna.

ShawnD

Mar28-04, 05:15 PM

There are some anonymous p2p networks, there was one featured at techtv. I'm too sleepy to search for it so good luck. Or just download Kazaalite and the new version called Kazaa Resurrection.
Kazaa is somewhat anonymous. There are a few safety features that try to protect you against the RIAA.

http://myfiles.dyndns.org/pictures/kazaa_security.jpg

Users not getting a list of your shared files is the main one. That does not disable sharing, it just means users can't search just what you alone have.

dduardo

Mar28-04, 08:22 PM

Direct Connect is pretty good too. But be prepared to be sharing more than 10GB of files to get anything decent.

cookiemonster

Mar28-04, 08:27 PM

Speaking of Direct Connect, if you're in college, many colleges have a private DC hub. My brother can download just about any--since he's at a sizeable college--movie in about 5 minutes off his college's DC hub. You might look into it.

And the RIAA isn't likely to go after you unless you're the hub host or a top sharer!

cookiemonster

The_Professional

Mar28-04, 08:33 PM

ShawnD, it only takes a simple netstat at the command prompt to see somebody's IP

Dagenais

Mar28-04, 10:24 PM

A long time ago I used Limewire before the RIAA got crazy. (Now what RIAA? What are you going to do? Convinct me of not using Limewire? HUH? HUH?)

I use to just download stuff and import the stuff onto iTunes, then delete the songs on my shared folder.

Problem solved.

It's not hard to outsmart the RIAA...not that I'd ever dare try.

tribdog

Mar28-04, 10:38 PM

ahhh, I see. It appears we went to different Kindergarten classes. My teacher taught me that sharing went both ways. Your definition of sharing seems remarkably similar to an action that would get me standing with my nose in the corner.
"Mrs. Letchinberg! Dagenais won't share his crayons!"

ShawnD

Mar28-04, 11:03 PM

Come on, Dag. Share those files.
If everybody stopped sharing files, sharing programs would be totally useless. And without programs like Kazaa, how are we supposed to find out how bad movies like Gigli are? (curious to see how bad it is but not willing to pay for it since I know it sucks).

Mr. Robin Parsons

Mar29-04, 05:43 AM

Humm I think it's called "reading the review" rather then pirate the movie...then again if a pirated movie, and you like it, do you then go out and make the payment for it???

ShawnD

Mar29-04, 06:17 AM

Humm I think it's called "reading the review" rather then pirate the movie...then again if a pirated movie, and you like it, do you then go out and make the payment for it???

Nope. 25 bucks for a DVD is a scam.

Mr. Robin Parsons

Mar29-04, 07:44 AM

phatmonky

Mar29-04, 08:42 AM

DC++ (where it's at!! Oh man! Not the best speeds, but you can find ANYTHING)

Bittorrent (great speeds for anything recent. HArd to find rare stuff)

Then there is station ripper. (something like the twin streams one works well. By FAR the best way to get bulk. You can set it to point at multiple shoutcast servers, and download the music into a specified directory. You don't get to choose what you are getting, but most stations are set to a genre. I get an easy 6-10GB a day if I just leace it running.)

Kazaa, and it's clones, is pretty lame. Tons of fake files, very little sharing. (DC++ has hubs that require 100GB to get into and people are often sharing over a TB. )

IRC has been getting hit like crazy from the RIAA. I don't waste my time with it anymore than chatting these days.

phatmonky

Mar29-04, 08:45 AM

Direct Connect is pretty good too. But be prepared to be sharing more than 10GB of files to get anything decent.

Ha, 10GB? Things don't start heating up until atleast 50 :wink:

phatmonky

Mar29-04, 08:57 AM

Humm I think it's called "reading the review" rather then pirate the movie...then again if a pirated movie, and you like it, do you then go out and make the payment for it???

Movies that I'm interested in, I will see at the theatre, and sometimes download just to see it some more before it comes out on DVD. I don't buy DVD new realeases, but have dropped multiple hundreds on the 9.99 Best buy rack.

Music depends. I pretty much buy everything I really like, however, the insane DMCA says that if I download a song that I own, I am still breaking the law. However, the industry then locks the CD's so I can't rip them for my MP3 Player. It is faster for me to download songs than it is for me to take the time fo find out how to break the latest copy protection. I probably own 75% of the songs that I download, and the rest I bet I haven't listened to since the day I first downloaded it.

Finally there is games. Unlike movies and music, I will admit that there is maybe 1% of the population that makes legit backup copies of their games, so I will not ***** too much about the a new safedisc protection coming out every 3 months. I download games to try them out. Any online play requires a serial usually anyway, and I don't mind buying it if the game is that good.

phatmonky

Mar29-04, 09:03 AM

Nope. 25 bucks for a DVD is a scam.

I dunno where you buy your DVD's, but even the new releases at best buy are usually 18.99-19.99
You can't blame the industry for tax, so that doesn't add into the equation.

I don't agree with your statement about movies, because after all most of them are quite inexpensive after 6 months of release (9.99).
On the other hand is music, in which there are CD's that I bought 6 years ago and they are more expensive now than then. I don't understand how that can be. If CD's went down to where I could walk out with a disc for 10 bucks, like I do a movie, I'd be much more inclined to buy a CD - but then there is the issue of me not being able to get half the music that I listen to, because no record companies in the US will sign many of them (even though they hit the number one charts throughout the nordic countries and germany.)

ShawnD

Mar29-04, 04:12 PM

Yeah $25 for a piece of plastic is a scam, but not when you factor in the cost of the Content that is upon the CD...then we play a very different game, Business...you do know what that is, Right? (Some one's JOB, probably one (maybe more) in the US too!)

Oh BS. LOTR has made over a billion dollars. Did it cost a billion to make those movies? Dogma cost 10 million to make, but according to IMDB, it grossed over 30 million in the US alone. Terminator 2 cost 100 million to make, but grossed 500 million worldwide.
I'm sure it cost then $25 to burn a 30 cent DVD.
The only DVDs I plan on buying are the ones for TV shows like Chappelle's Show or maybe Family Guy.

I find that Direct Connect isn't very good because nobody has any good files. I searched several hubs for the movie Evil Dead but not 1 person has it. I went on Kazaa and there are 205 users who are sharing that movie. The fake files on Kazaa are mostly with movies that are hyped such as Matrix Reloaded, Matrix Revolutions, The Hulk, Spiderman. Movies that are not so popular (like Dogma or Mallrats) are never fake. Even if you do start downloading a fake file, you can just preview the file to see if it's what you wanted.

DC++ has hubs that require 100GB to get into and people are often sharing over a TB
The only problem is that the most populated hub for DC has only about 1200 people in it. If everybody there had 1TB, that would be 1,200,000GB (assuming 1000GB in a TB, which is incorrect).
Right now, Kazaa says 3.2 million users on right now sharing a total of 4,368,512GB.

jimmy p

Mar29-04, 04:19 PM

i use WinMX.... pretty primitive but it does the job.

Mr. Robin Parsons

Mar29-04, 07:11 PM

Movies that I'm interested in, I will see at the theatre, and sometimes download just to see it some more before it comes out on DVD. I don't buy DVD new realeases, but have dropped multiple hundreds on the 9.99 Best buy rack.

Music depends. I pretty much buy everything I really like, however, the insane DMCA says that if I download a song that I own, I am still breaking the law. However, the industry then locks the CD's so I can't rip them for my MP3 Player. It is faster for me to download songs than it is for me to take the time fo find out how to break the latest copy protection. I probably own 75% of the songs that I download, and the rest I bet I haven't listened to since the day I first downloaded it.

Finally there is games. Unlike movies and music, I will admit that there is maybe 1% of the population that makes legit backup copies of their games, so I will not ***** too much about the a new safedisc protection coming out every 3 months. I download games to try them out. Any online play requires a serial usually anyway, and I don't mind buying it if the game is that good.So you only follow laws that you like, the ones that don't suit you...well, you have the right to do whatever you want, and 'they' the right to stop you, if you violate "their" rights...so....?

Mr. Robin Parsons

Mar29-04, 07:18 PM

Oh BS. LOTR has made over a billion dollars. Did it cost a billion to make those movies? Dogma cost 10 million to make, but according to IMDB, it grossed over 30 million in the US alone. Terminator 2 cost 100 million to make, but grossed 500 million worldwide.
I'm sure it cost then $25 to burn a 30 cent DVD.
The only DVDs I plan on buying are the ones for TV shows like Chappelle's Show or maybe Family Guy.

I find that Direct Connect isn't very good because nobody has any good files. I searched several hubs for the movie Evil Dead but not 1 person has it. I went on Kazaa and there are 205 users who are sharing that movie. The fake files on Kazaa are mostly with movies that are hyped such as Matrix Reloaded, Matrix Revolutions, The Hulk, Spiderman. Movies that are not so popular (like Dogma or Mallrats) are never fake. Even if you do start downloading a fake file, you can just preview the file to see if it's what you wanted.
The only problem is that the most populated hub for DC has only about 1200 people in it. If everybody there had 1TB, that would be 1,200,000GB (assuming 1000GB in a TB, which is incorrect).
Right now, Kazaa says 3.2 million users on right now sharing a total of 4,368,512GB.So this is your responce to me having said:
Originally Posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Yeah $25 for a piece of plastic is a scam, but not when you factor in the cost of the Content that is upon the CD...then we play a very different game, Business...you do know what that is, Right? (Some one's JOB, probably one (maybe more) in the US too!) So like where is the answer to what your quoting?? I made the point that it is a busness and that means someones job, and you answer by citing (unreferenced) amounts of money that some of the successful films have made...notice you don't mention any of the un-successful ones...the losses, or 'Bombs' that some of the money that gets RISKED, in that business, well, is "dispersed irretrievebly"...

Please next time you quote me please at least refer to what I am talking about a little bit...all you have proven is that they do make money...sometimes, that means 'employment' and future opportunity for further 'employment'....or do you think that that is wrong too??

The_Professional

Mar29-04, 07:28 PM

It would be fair to say that the DMCA (thanks Bill Clinton and Fritz Hollings) severely restricts a consumer's right to fair use. There was a propose legislation to modify the DMCA, but that would take a while.

As far as DVD sales go, it actually went up. So the movie industry's assertion that piracy is killing their livelihood is debatable. And besides, people would still buy the DVD with all the added features, commentaries, deleted scenes, outtakes that come with it. Something that you don't get if you just download the movie off p2p.

I don't mind paying for a DVD whether it's 10-100 dollars or more, if it's something I truly like. But I also want to be able to copy it in my hard drive or download it somewhere.

ShawnD

Mar29-04, 07:32 PM

So this is your responce to me having said:
So like where is the answer to what your quoting?? I made the point that it is a busness and that means someones job, and you answer by citing (unreferenced) amounts of money that some of the successful films have made...notice you don't mention any of the un-successful ones...the losses, or 'Bombs' that some of the money that gets RISKED, in that business, well, is "dispersed irretrievebly"...

If I rent Gigli from blockbuster, does the movie company see any of that money? No. If I decide that Gigli sucks (which I did), would I buy it? No.
So what's the difference between renting then not buying and downloading then not buying? Either way, the people who made the movie Gigli do not see any money from me.

Please next time you quote me please at least refer to what I am talking about a little bit...all you have proven is that they do make money...sometimes, that means 'employment' and future opportunity for further 'employment'....or do you think that that is wrong too??

You were saying that my buying a video is a major factor in whether the company makes money or not. You know that is not true. The people who made the movie see almost none of the profit made from DVD sales, just like how musicians don't make money from CD sales.

rathma

Mar29-04, 07:33 PM

Mr. Parsons, aren't you getting just a little too worked up about something that, knowing him as I do(n't), tribdog is probably making up anyway? And if he's not, then maybe he's the one to talk to about this.

However, I could be completely wrong, and should not be nosing around in what is not my business. It is a dreadful habit, and I need to work on it, but some times I can't control my tongue (or in this case, my typing fingers :wink: )

phatmonky

Mar29-04, 08:59 PM

So you only follow laws that you like, the ones that don't suit you...well, you have the right to do whatever you want, and 'they' the right to stop you, if you violate "their" rights...so....?

You hit on the subject. In the future, I won't waste my time having a conversation with you....so...?

Mr. Robin Parsons

Mar30-04, 05:24 AM

(SNIP) You were saying that my buying a video is a major factor in whether the company makes money or not. You know that is not true. The people who made the movie see almost none of the profit made from DVD sales, just like how musicians don't make money from CD sales. (SNoP)Ahem I stated that "the content on the CD costs MONEY to Be Made, ergo, put there....not this re-invention of yours....

Your re-inventive reading style would make for a fun game format but doesn't work well in real life discourse

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr1-04, 05:22 AM

Isn't it funny/ironic the courts, in Canada, just decided, yesterday, that it is NOT a violation of Canadian Copyright law, to file share....so come to Canada, and Go for it!

ShawnD

Apr1-04, 05:36 AM

I think I may have found the best file sharing program ever. I got emule yesterday and this program is awesome. There is no option to disable file sharing, so everybody who is on the network is sharing files. Another great thing is that people share parts of files. For example, If I start downloading a file that is 700mb and I'm only done 10mb of it, I start sharing the 10mb I already have. I was able to download 5 full movies within 1 day!
I'm going to end up buying Fight Club, 28 Days Later, and Kill Bill V1. The new Texas Chainsaw Massacre is almost as bad as the old one, and Signs lacked believability. If those aliens are damaged by water, why are they not affected by the high amounts of water vapour in the air?

cookiemonster

Apr1-04, 10:07 AM

Oh, I can answer that one. Because M. Night Shyamalan can't see water in the air, and therefore it doesn't exist.

cookiemonster

dduardo

Apr1-04, 02:33 PM

If you live in Canada file sharing is legal.

http://www.forbes.com/business/newswire/2004/03/31/rtr1319415.html

Federal Court Judge Konrad von Finckenstein, formerly Canada's competition commissioner, wrote:

"I cannot see a real difference between a library that places a photocopy machine in a room full of copyrighted material and a computer user that places a personal copy on a shared directory linked to a P2P (peer-to-peer) service,"

ShawnD

Apr1-04, 03:10 PM

That library thing is a good point. The library actually has some good movies. Just sign out a good movie then copy it. I have T2 and Croc Dundee on VHS because of the library :biggrin:

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr2-04, 09:15 AM

Yes, legal now in Canada, and EMI is apparently either about to, (or has already) lay off (Pink slips, and we do not mean 'car registrations') about 1500 PEOPLE...

As for the effects, well, it is the beginning of the end of musics "Big" promotability, as the money for that, simply will not be there, any more, companies like PureTracks? well, who knows, the market just got removed from under their feet, so to speak...

Music as it is currently known is gonna change, probably Big time too

PS as for the Judges descision, apparently the differences between a photocopier that can make one copy at a time and costs money, and a computer that can instantly reproduce millions of copies, for free, well, welcome to the age of knowledge...

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr2-04, 10:22 AM

....Oooops!.....and distribute all 1 million copies with a keystroke, especially if you can program.....Photocopies at the library? distribution? a million copies? anyone got a truck? a real big truck?

ShawnD

Apr2-04, 01:45 PM

differences between a photocopier that can make one copy at a time and costs money, and a computer that can instantly reproduce millions of copies, for free,

The cost is comparable. A VHS tape is about $1.50 last time I checked. My 120,000,000kB hard drive cost me $171 (after tax) and a most movies are about 715,000kB. That's about 168 movies per hard drive, which makes the storage cost $1.02 per movie.

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr2-04, 03:41 PM

PS as for the Judges descision, apparently the differences between a photocopier that can make one copy at a time and costs money, and a computer that can instantly reproduce millions of copies, for free, well, welcome to the age of knowledge...
So the issue of the Judges decision is interesting, inasmuch as the Judge is Right in what was decided, cause it is in accordance with Canadian law, as you are allowed to make a copy for your own personal use, so the photocopier in the library and the computer on the net have equvalence in that respect, so actually what the judge provides to us is the principals of actions and activity in a democracy, as in having upheld the Law "As it is Written", if it is deemed to be damaging to society, then the Legislators (House of Commons in Canada) are meant to write New Law, amend the existing Law, correct whatever is seen as deficeit, (if deficiencies are even seen) and hence we have the function of democracy...not radical Judges setting public agendas, but a Goverment that, well, right now, in Canada, they seem to be going into "election mode" which means now NOTHING is going to happen to anything that is actually on The Countries Agenda and the Media*, (who will not report on a single one of the Planetary Firsts that I have, by the Grace of God, been able to accomplish) will be full of nothing but the rhetoric of politicking, sooooo not much new here, you?

*Respectively speaking, at some point in all of this it becomes obvious enough to the rest of you (to me that has been for a looong time, now) that it is the "Media" in the entirety of North America that becomes Faultable....because well they know (a little Bit{?}) about me, too.....

BTW...Psssssst! What I had pointed out is how easy it is to commit a crime, not that a crime had taken place, But I can reasonably assure you that the Judge knew that one...fool any of you?

(Yup!? :cool: )

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr2-04, 03:42 PM

The cost is comparable. A VHS tape is about $1.50 last time I checked. My 120,000,000kB hard drive cost me $171 (after tax) and a most movies are about 715,000kB. That's about 168 movies per hard drive, which makes the storage cost $1.02 per movie. Yup, and buy discs, (CD's) throws those costs out the window a little doesn't it?

ShawnD

Apr2-04, 05:40 PM

Most movies don't even fit on CDs. That throws your theory out the window.

dduardo

Apr2-04, 06:42 PM

chroot

Apr2-04, 06:45 PM

Usenet. No comparison. None.

- Warren

dduardo

Apr2-04, 07:07 PM

Usenet. No comparison. None.

Yeah, but it is a pain to queue up 100 files, especially if the posts alternate

chroot

Apr2-04, 07:08 PM

Is it? Not if you use a real provider, like easynews.com.

- Warren

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr2-04, 07:22 PM

Most movies don't even fit on CDs. That throws your theory out the window. HUH? DVD's what are they?

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr2-04, 07:24 PM

From the New York Times:
"The bulk of the EMI job losses stem from the outsourcing of compact disc and DVD manufacturing."
I guess that throws away the theory that file sharing has forced EMI to dump loads of employees.Not entirely, as the search for a lessor cost is indicative of a business under financial pressure....and the future consequences of this is, are, as yet, unwritten/unknown...

phatmonky

Apr2-04, 07:41 PM

The cost is comparable. A VHS tape is about $1.50 last time I checked. My 120,000,000kB hard drive cost me $171 (after tax) and a most movies are about 715,000kB. That's about 168 movies per hard drive, which makes the storage cost $1.02 per movie.

My movies are 2-4.7 GB, so even more expensive than you are thinking.

phatmonky

Apr2-04, 07:43 PM

Yes, legal now in Canada, and EMI is apparently either about to, (or has already) lay off (Pink slips, and we do not mean 'car registrations') about 1500 PEOPLE...
.

Could that possibly be due to the world wide recession? Perhaps file sharing is what caused the tech bubble to pop, the market to crash, and the dollar to decline!!!!!! :eek:

ShawnD

Apr2-04, 10:57 PM

Yup, and buy discs, (CD's) throws those costs out the window a little doesn't it?

Most movies don't even fit on CDs.

HUH? DVD's what are they?

You said CDs, so I answered your post. Now you make a rude comment like that. What is your problem?

My movies are 2-4.7 GB, so even more expensive than you are thinking.
My videos are all about 700MB. All video names are removed for obvious reasons :wink:

videos (http://myfiles.dyndns.org/pictures/videos.jpg)

phatmonky

Apr2-04, 11:06 PM

Yup, and buy discs, (CD's) throws those costs out the window a little doesn't it?

Not in Canada - the cost of blank media there includes a fee that is implemented specifically for the potential of pirating. That money is then redistributed to the manufacturers. So, while the CD may be cheaper than the VHS at the store, the profit may be greater (which is all that matters when we are talking about the coporations being victimized) as well as an added fee that goes directly to them.

chroot

Apr2-04, 11:39 PM

ShawnD: A full DVD rip is about 4GB.

- Warren

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr3-04, 05:25 AM

(SNIP)You said CDs, so I answered your post. Now you make a rude comment like that. What is your problem? (SNoP) Nothing! it is/was a question NOT a comment, so what is your problem? aside from one CD will hold 700MB least the ones I can get will...and I had/have (they moved) a friend who had "lots of movies" (on CD's!!) so knowing a little about what I am talking about seemed to me to help...

tribdog

Apr3-04, 11:57 AM

I was watching Tech TV the other day and they said something about a new report that came out. Apparently file sharing of songs hasn't really translated into loss of revenue. The lesser known artists actually got a boost to sales because of the sharing and the popular artists only lost something like 1 sale for every 1000 or 10000 or 100000 downloads(I don't remember the exact number they gave.) and when you take into account the larger fan base an artist sees and the larger concert crowds, they are not hurt by the file sharing at all.

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr3-04, 09:09 PM

So the lessor known artist made money too, or nothing? ("gave it all away")

tribdog

Apr4-04, 04:19 AM

So the lessor known artist made money too, or nothing? ("gave it all away")
lesser known artists became better known artists and subsequently sold more albums and made more money.

Mr. Robin Parsons

Apr4-04, 05:40 AM

Cool :cool: good great, hope it all works out, but the industry is changing, and computers are a part of that sooooooo.....................PS....I Too have listened to "shared music" sounds the same as the rest!

ShawnD

Apr4-04, 05:40 PM

The internet is a great place to advertise. I've seen a few sites where bands have entire an entire CD available for downloading.

meteor

Apr4-04, 07:42 PM

Is there any good shareware/freeware program to speed up the downloads from Kazaa? Thanks

ShawnD

Apr4-04, 07:48 PM

Kazaa Lite has a built in accelerator. Kazaa Lite is no longer being developed but I still have a copy of it.

kazaa lite (http://myfiles.dyndns.org/programs/klitekpp243e.exe)

meteor

Apr11-04, 01:36 PM

I've installed Kazaa Lite. It's much better than Kazaa. Thanks ShawnD

allanpatrick

Sep24-04, 06:15 AM

Mr Robin Parsons, if u don't like watching or purchasing pirated or shared movie files then that's your calling. it's another thing to impose what u want on people who want to spend less on movies. Not everyone has the capacity to buy expensive, original copies especially people from where I live (I'm from a third world country).

Piracy doesn't hurt the executives behind big shot movie enterprises. It only hurts indie filmmakers and indie bands because they belong to those who are closest to the level of production ergo they have little or limited funds with which to promote their music or movie. You said in your earlier threads that unless you see a statement backed by values that depict throrough research, you will treat anybody's claims as hogwash (which is to paraphrase you, to say the least). Where is YOUR research? I don't see telltale economic signs of the times that big time movie industries ARE INDEED CRASHING. Piracy only hurts most of us who belong to what BIG INDUSTRIES call the little people (a.k.a. indies). Where are your figures, Parsons?

patrick