Trying to understand how two particles interact

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The discussion revolves around the interaction of two particles, specifically focusing on how their wave functions evolve over time when they come close to each other. The context includes theoretical considerations of quantum mechanics, particularly the Schrödinger equation, and the implications of particle localization on wave function behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the wave function of an electron evolves when it approaches a charged particle like an alpha particle, particularly if the alpha particle is not well localized.
  • Another participant discusses the interaction of an atom with light in a harmonic potential, introducing the concept of the Lamb-Dicke parameter and suggesting that the treatment of the alpha particle as a source of potential allows for the use of the Schrödinger equation to analyze the electron's wave function.
  • A different participant notes that the cross section for two charged particles interacting via photon exchange is equivalent to the Rutherford cross section, indicating that both localized and spread-out scenarios can be addressed using established scattering theory.
  • One participant reiterates the initial question about wave function evolution and emphasizes the probabilistic interpretation of the wave function as a joint probability distribution for the positions of both particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the treatment of particle interactions and wave function evolution, with no clear consensus reached on the best approach or interpretation of the phenomena discussed.

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Some limitations include the dependence on the assumptions regarding particle localization and the complexities of quantum interactions that may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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I'm wondering how the wave functions of two particles would evolve through time if they cross paths. Say you have an electron whose wave functon comes close to another charged particle, like an alpha particle. Now I believe if the alpha particle is well localised you can treat it has a point charge and use the time independent Schrödinger equation to determine how the electrons wave function changes through time. But what if the alpha particle is not well localised and its wavefunction is spread out? How will the electrons wave function evolve? Is there anyway to give me an idea without going into too much detail?

btw I am guessing since the alpha particle is so heavy it won't be affected much by an electron moving at a moderate speed.
 
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Supose you have an atom trapped by an harmonic potential. Then you send light on this atom. Light is an electromagnetic wave. The quantum spatially extended atom will experience the light's electromagnetic forces in a extended way as well. In other words: the atom will not in general experience the electromagnetic field in just one point of space at a given instant. The ratio between the wave vector k and the width of the fundamental state of the atom inside this hamonic potential [itex], \Delta x [\itex], will give us a notion of how point-like is the interaction between the atom and the light. This parameter is the so called Lamb-Dicke parameter.<br /> This question is somewhat related to the dipole approximation, but I believe strongly it is not the same notion.<br /> <br /> Although the systems are not the same, I hope this serves as a begining.<br /> <br /> Note: As long as you can treat the alpha particle as the source of a potential, it seems that you can profit from Schroedinger's equation for the electron in order to obtain the time evolution of its wave function.<br /> <br /> Best Regards,<br /> <br /> DaTario[/itex]
 
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In fact, the cross section of two charged particles interacting via photon exchange (basic qED) is identical to the Rutherford cross section, which, of course, is calculated using classical physics. One of the few cases in which classical-quantum (no spin, or average over spin, no internal structure )

Localized or spread out, all can be handled. This is done in any text on basic scattering theory, classical or quantum.

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Reilly Atkinson
 
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I'm wondering how the wave functions of two particles would evolve through time if they cross paths. Say you have an electron whose wave functon comes close to another charged particle, like an alpha particle. Now I believe if the alpha particle is well localised you can treat it has a point charge and use the time independent Schrödinger equation to determine how the electrons wave function changes through time. But what if the alpha particle is not well localised and its wavefunction is spread out? How will the electrons wave function evolve? Is there anyway to give me an idea without going into too much detail?

btw I am guessing since the alpha particle is so heavy it won't be affected much by an electron moving at a moderate speed.


The wavefunction is a function of the coordinates of both particles
and must be interpreted as in the following language: the amplitude
squared of the wave function is the probability that particle A is at x1
AND particle B is at x2. It is a joint probabliity distribution.

Of course this language is overly simplistic. One particle could be in a state
of definite momentum with equal amplitude everywhere in space. This is
why the Psi function is considered to have only a probabilistic interpretation
and not a directly physical one.
 

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