Measuring Entangled Particles in two different Basis

In summary, the conversation is discussing the probability of Bob getting the particle in the up or down direction in the Z-axis after Alice measures the particle in the theta direction. The probability is dependent on the direction Bob measures in and can be calculated using the wave function and the eigenvectors of the spin components.
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Consider two entangled spin half particles given by the generic form of Bell Equation in Z-axis:
##\psi = (a\uparrow \uparrow + b\downarrow \downarrow)## where ##a^2+b^2=1##

In a (2D) planer rotated (by an angle ##\theta##) direction the new equation can be given by:

##|\psi \rangle = [\alpha \cos^2(\theta/2) + \beta \sin^2(\theta/2)] |\uparrow_a\uparrow \rangle + ##
##[(\alpha \sin^2 \theta/2 + \beta \cos^2 \theta/2)] |\downarrow\downarrow \rangle ##
##[(\beta-\alpha) \cos(\theta/2) \sin(\theta/2)] (|\uparrow\uparrow \rangle +|\uparrow\downarrow \rangle +##

Now Alice keeps one particle and sends the other to Bob. Here is the Q:

1. Suppose, Alice measures the particle in ##theta## direction. Then after that, Bob measures in the Z direction. What is the probability of Bob getting the particle ##\uparrow## and ##\downarrow## in Z direction.

I know that as soon as Alice measures the particle in ##\theta## direction, the entanglement collapses. So we can measure the probability by using wave function. But, can someone help with the cases for 'cross measurement' i.e. as above?
 
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Let ##|\sigma_{\theta} \rangle## and ##|\sigma_z \rangle## be the eigenvectors of the spin component in ##\theta## and ##z## direction respectively. Then the probability that A meausures the value ##\sigma_{\theta}## on her spin and B ##\sigma_z## on his, is given by
$$P(\sigma_{\theta},\sigma_z)=|\langle \sigma_{\theta},\sigma_z|\psi \rangle|^2.$$
You only need to express everything in a common basis (I've given all this in a thread some days in this forums, so you can just copy it from there).
 
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vanhees71 said:
Let ##|\sigma_{\theta} \rangle## and ##|\sigma_z \rangle## be the eigenvectors of the spin component in ##\theta## and ##z## direction respectively. Then the probability that A meausures the value ##\sigma_{\theta}## on her spin and B ##\sigma_z## on his, is given by
$$P(\sigma_{\theta},\sigma_z)=|\langle \sigma_{\theta},\sigma_z|\psi \rangle|^2.$$
You only need to express everything in a common basis (I've given all this in a thread some days in this forums, so you can just copy it from there).

Thank you. I don't have background in QM/Physics. So I am lost at this compact reply and notation. If possible at all, could you provide more explicit probabilities (in notations in OP). Or point to a resource that goes step by step..
 
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randomuser3210 said:
Now Alice keeps one particle and sends the other to Bob. Here is the Q:

1. Suppose, Alice measures the particle in ##theta## direction. Then after that, Bob measures in the Z direction. What is the probability of Bob getting the particle ##\uparrow## and ##\downarrow## in Z direction.

I know that as soon as Alice measures the particle in ##\theta## direction, the entanglement collapses. So we can measure the probability by using wave function. But, can someone help with the cases for 'cross measurement' i.e. as above?

It doesn't matter who measures first. Bob's measurement has a probability ##|a|^2## or ##|b|^2## to be up or down. If Bob's outcome is up (or down), then the probability that Alice's measurement is up is ##\cos^2 \frac \theta 2## (or ##\sin^2 \frac \theta 2##). That gives the four probabilities:
$$p(\uparrow_A \uparrow_B) = |a|^2\cos^2 \frac \theta 2; \ \ p(\downarrow_A \uparrow_B) = |a|^2\sin^2 \frac \theta 2; \ \ p(\uparrow_A \downarrow_B) = |b|^2\sin^2 \frac \theta 2; \ \ p(\downarrow_A \downarrow_B) = |b|^2\cos^2 \frac \theta 2$$
 
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PeroK said:
It doesn't matter who measures first. Bob's measurement has a probability ##|a|^2## or ##|b|^2## to be up or down. If Bob's outcome is up (or down), then the probability that Alice's measurement is up is ##\cos^2 \frac \theta 2## (or ##\sin^2 \frac \theta 2##). That gives the four probabilities:
$$p(\uparrow_A \uparrow_B) = |a|^2\cos^2 \frac \theta 2; \ \ p(\downarrow_A \uparrow_B) = |a|^2\sin^2 \frac \theta 2; \ \ p(\uparrow_A \downarrow_B) = |b|^2\sin^2 \frac \theta 2; \ \ p(\downarrow_A \downarrow_B) = |b|^2\cos^2 \frac \theta 2$$

So if I understand correctly, no matter who measures in what direction first (in any of the 4 General Bell States, not just this one), the end result of the measurement of Bob (and the probabilities of ##\downarrow_B or \uparrow_B## only depends on the direction Bob measures in.
 
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The arguments of the cos and sin factors must be ##\theta/2##:

Let's calculate everything in the ##\sigma_z##-eigenbasis, ##|\pm 1/2 \rangle##. For the single spins you have the eigenvectors for the spin components in ##\theta##-direction
$$|1/2_{\theta} \rangle=\cos(\theta/2) |1/2 \rangle + \sin(\theta/2)|-1/2 \rangle$$
$$|-1/2_{\theta} \rangle=-\sin(\theta/2) |1/2 \rangle +\cos(\theta/2) |-1/2 \rangle.$$
With
$$|\Psi \rangle=\alpha |1/2,1/2 \rangle + \beta|-1/2,-1/2 \rangle$$
we need the following scalar products
$$\langle 1/2_{\theta},1/2|\Psi \rangle=\alpha \cos(\theta/2), \quad \langle 1/2_{\theta},-1/2|\Psi \rangle = \beta \sin(\theta/2), \quad \langle -1/2_{\theta},1/2|\Psi \rangle=-\alpha \sin(\theta/2), \quad \langle -1/2_{\theta},-1/2|\Psi \rangle = \beta \cos(\theta/2).$$
The probabilities are the moduli squared:
$$P(1/2_{\theta},1/2)=|\alpha|^2 \cos^2(\theta/2), \quad P(1/2_{\theta},-1/2)=|\beta|^2 \sin^2(\theta/2), \quad P(-1/2_{\theta},1/2)=|\alpha|^2 \sin^2(\theta/2), \quad P(-1/2_{\theta},-1/2)=|\beta^2|\cos^2(\theta/2).$$
 
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randomuser3210 said:
So if I understand correctly, no matter who measures in what direction first (in any of the 4 General Bell States, not just this one), the end result of the measurement of Bob (and the probabilities of ##\downarrow_B or \uparrow_B## only depends on the direction Bob measures in.
Yes. You can always think of it as a simultaneous measurement. Bob's results are the same statistically whatever Alice does; and vice versa.
 
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PS another way to see this is to express the state as a tensor product, using different bases for the constituent particles:
$$\psi = a \uparrow \uparrow + b \downarrow \downarrow = a \uparrow \otimes (\cos \frac \theta 2 \uparrow_{\theta} - \sin \frac \theta 2 \downarrow_{\theta}) + b \downarrow \otimes (\sin \frac \theta 2 \uparrow_{\theta} + \cos \frac \theta 2 \downarrow_{\theta})$$ $$ = a \cos \frac \theta 2 (\uparrow \otimes \uparrow_{\theta}) - a \sin \frac \theta 2 (\uparrow \otimes \downarrow_{\theta}) + b\sin \frac \theta 2 ( \downarrow \otimes \uparrow_{\theta}) + b \cos \frac \theta 2 (\downarrow \otimes \downarrow_{\theta})$$
And then you can just read off the amplitudes.
 
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Remark: Of course my notation ##|a,b \rangle \equiv |a \rangle \oplus |b \rangle##. It's just laziness of physicists' notation not to write out the tensor (Kronecker) product symbols ;-)).
 
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1. How do you measure entangled particles in two different basis?

To measure entangled particles in two different basis, we use a process called quantum state tomography. This involves performing measurements on the particles in different bases and then using mathematical algorithms to reconstruct the quantum state of the particles.

2. What are the two different basis used for measuring entangled particles?

The two different basis used for measuring entangled particles are the computational basis and the Bell basis. The computational basis uses the states |0> and |1>, while the Bell basis uses the states |Φ+>, |Φ->, |Ψ+>, and |Ψ->.

3. Can entangled particles be measured in other bases besides the computational and Bell basis?

Yes, entangled particles can be measured in other bases besides the computational and Bell basis. However, these two bases are the most commonly used in quantum state tomography due to their simplicity and ability to fully characterize the quantum state of the particles.

4. What is the significance of measuring entangled particles in two different basis?

Measuring entangled particles in two different basis allows us to fully understand the quantum state of the particles and their correlations. This is important for applications such as quantum communication and quantum computing, where entangled particles are used to transmit and process information.

5. Are there any challenges in measuring entangled particles in two different basis?

Yes, there are challenges in measuring entangled particles in two different basis. These include technical limitations in performing measurements in different bases and the complexity of reconstructing the quantum state using quantum state tomography. However, advancements in technology and algorithms have helped to overcome these challenges.

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