What Is the Maximum Current Through a 1.33 µF Capacitor?

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum current through a capacitor with a capacitance of 1.33 µF, given a specific time-dependent voltage function, V = 250t² - 200t³. Participants explore the relationship between voltage and current in capacitors, applying calculus to find the maximum current.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the derivative of the voltage function to find critical points for current but questions their approach when the result yields zero.
  • Another participant suggests that to find the maximum current, one should set the second derivative of voltage to zero, indicating a potential maximum for current.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between maximum voltage and maximum current, with some arguing that maximum voltage does not necessarily lead to maximum current.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to evaluate the voltage at the time of maximum current to determine the maximum current value.
  • Another participant challenges the method proposed by a peer, arguing that the second derivative is linear and not parabolic, which may affect the interpretation of critical points.
  • Clarification is made that the current is defined as i = C(dV/dt), and thus the maximum current requires finding the maximum of the derivative of voltage.

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Participants express differing views on the correct method to find the maximum current, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Some agree on the need to evaluate the second derivative, while others challenge the assumptions made about the relationship between voltage and current.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the relationship between voltage and current in capacitors, but there are unresolved issues regarding the interpretation of derivatives and critical points in the context of this problem.

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Homework Statement


find the greatest current through the capacitor with a capacitance of C=1.33uF, where the applied voltage is given by V = 250t^2 - 200t^3 volts.


Homework Equations


i = C(dV/dt)


The Attempt at a Solution


so i take the derivative of V:V'= 500t-600t^2...
and find values for time and i get

0= 100t(5 - 6t)
then t = 0, and 5/6.
testing these values in the second derivative V" = 500-1200t...I find 5/6 to be maximum...

plugging into the equation for i = (1.33*10^(-6))(500(5/6) - 600(5/6)^2)
which equates to zero...bah, this can be right...what am i doing wrong...am i taking the wrong derivative or something
 
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you got the max point correct.

but why are you plugging the max x coordinate into V prime?
 
the equation for I is C*V' , and i have no value for t except 5/6, do i have to plug into the orig?..but that would give me a constant, and i can't get the derivative of the constant, it would give me zero again..
 
One wants di/dt = 0 => d2V/dt2 = 0 to find time at maximum current.

Using dV/dt = 0, one will find time of max or min voltage.


V" = 500-1200t = 0, then find t, which is the time of max current.
 
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the equation means that Voltage is varying by time. you found the time when the voltage is at it's peak(max value). you need to find the voltage at that point in time to get the max value for I.
 
thanks Astronuc
you were very helpful
 
I don't think astronucs method will work properly.

V'' is a straight line not a parabola.

My method suggested that since in i=C*V, C is constant and both C,V are directly proportional, the greatest value for V, which is the maximum point, would yield the greatest current.

EDIT: moreover, getting 500-1200t=0 and solving for t will give the x coordinate for the inflection point of V=250t^2-200t^3
 
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pooface said:
I don't think astronucs method will work properly.

V'' is a straight line not a parabola.

My method suggested that since in i=C*V, C is constant and both C,V are directly proportional, the greatest value for V, which is the maximum point, would yield the greatest current.

EDIT: moreover, getting 500-1200t=0 and solving for t will give the x coordinate for the inflection point of V=250t^2-200t^3

i isn't C*V. i is Cdv/dt... ie: i = C*V'... so to get the max of i you need to set i' = 0 ie: C*V'' = 0 => V'' = 0.

max voltage does not necessarily imply max current.
 

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