Bernoulli's equation and conservation of energy

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of Bernoulli's equation from the principle of conservation of energy, exploring the assumptions and considerations involved in this derivation. Participants engage in clarifying concepts related to fluid dynamics and energy changes within a fluid system.

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  • One participant requests an explanation of how Bernoulli's equation arises from conservation of energy.
  • Another participant suggests that the derivation can be found in textbooks and provides a link for further reading.
  • A participant questions why only the kinetic and potential energy changes in specific volumes of fluid are considered, raising concerns about the fluid in between those volumes.
  • Responses clarify that the analysis focuses on two specific volumes of fluid and that the fluid between them is assumed to remain unchanged during the process.
  • Further explanation is provided that the derivation equates the work done on the system by pressure to the change in kinetic and potential energy, emphasizing that only the mass of fluid moving between the two ends experiences energy changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the fluid between the specified volumes, indicating a lack of consensus on the assumptions made in the derivation of Bernoulli's equation.

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There are assumptions regarding the behavior of the fluid between the analyzed volumes that remain unresolved, particularly concerning how energy changes are accounted for in that region.

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Can anyone explain to me how Bernoulli's equation arises from conservation of energy?
 
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Why is it that you only account for the kinetic and potential energy change in the blue volumes.. What about the fluid between them?
 
The blue volumes are assumed to be the same volume of fluid as it proceeds in time.

You're looking at two different time slices
 
Originally posted by broegger
Why is it that you only account for the kinetic and potential energy change in the blue volumes.. What about the fluid between them?
All the action takes place in those end volumes. Nothing changes for the fluid between them.

Here's how to understand this derivation. Think of the entire chunk of fluid between the two cross-sections (A1 & A2) as "the system" to be studied. We want to study what happens when that system moves such that each end sweeps out a given volume of fluid. What Bernoulli's equation does is equate the work done on the system (done by the pressure at each end) to the change of kinetic and potential energy of the system.

To answer your question again, note that the net effect, as far as calculating the change in energy goes, is to move a mass of fluid from one end to the other. This is the only mass that changes kinetic and potential energy---the rest of the fluid doesn't change.

Make sense?
 

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