Could the Big Bang Theory Be Incorrect?

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The discussion centers around the validity of the Big Bang theory, questioning its assumptions, implications, and potential errors. Participants explore theoretical aspects, observational evidence, and alternative models, while addressing concepts of symmetry and homogeneity in the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the assumption that the universe should be perfectly symmetric, noting various asymmetries such as matter/anti-matter ratios and energy density variations.
  • Others argue that while the universe is not perfectly homogeneous, it is homogeneous to a high degree, suggesting that the Big Bang theory could be incorrect but is well-supported by evidence.
  • A participant proposes that if the Big Bang theory were proven wrong, it could lead to significant upheaval in the field, similar to other foundational scientific theories.
  • There is a suggestion that the universe might display a fractal matter distribution at large scales, which could challenge the Big Bang model.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the validity of certain sources and models presented in the discussion, emphasizing the need for rigorous scientific standards.
  • Another participant clarifies that the observable universe was never the size of a point, challenging a common description of the Big Bang theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the Big Bang theory, with no consensus reached. Some acknowledge the theory's robustness while others highlight potential flaws or alternative models.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of symmetry and homogeneity, as well as the implications of alternative models on the Big Bang theory. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and assumptions that are not fully reconciled.

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Can the "big bang" be wrong?

The bing bang theory simply states that there was a point at which the time limit of all frames tends to zero ,then it exploded (I think) and the universe was created. then it is supposed that the total summation of forces , energy and matter distributions (just all physical quantities) be perfectly symmetric .

So why isn't the universe perfectly symmetric? What's wrong with my assumption?

And what would happen if it was proved that the bing bang was a mistake?
 
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Relena said:
The bing bang theory simply states that there was a point at which the time limit of all frames tends to zero ,then it exploded (I think)

There was no explosion.

Relena said:
and the universe was created. then it is supposed that the total summation of forces , energy and matter distributions (just all physical quantities) be perfectly symmetric .

So why isn't the universe perfectly symmetric? What's wrong with my assumption?

There are plenty of asymmetries. Decoupling of the forces, Matter/Anti-Matter asymmetry (One billion and one matter particles for every billion anti-matter particles), energy density (Variations in about one part in a hundred thousand after inflation), time asymmetry. Why do you have the idea that it has to be perfectly symmetric?

Relena said:
And what would happen if it was proved that the bing bang was a mistake?
Do you mean that there is a slight mistake with the current model? Then the change is incorporated and the model is improved. Or do you mean that the big-bang didn't occur and there was no start to the universe 13.7 billion years ago from a hot dense point? Well this is sort of like asking "What would happen if evolution was proved wrong?" or "What would happen if the periodicity in chemistry was proved wrong?". In any case, the respective fields would be completely turned over, but the the theories are so well founded that this is hard for me to imagine.
 


Well, the universe may not be perfectly symmetrical (homogeneous is a better word), but it is homogeneous to an extremely high degree - about 99.999%. Here's a recent thread on that subject: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=238736

As to your question in the title: the Big Bang can certainly be wrong, but with so much evidence for it, the likelyhood of it being completely wrong is pretty small. But it is very likely that some specific parts of the theory are wrong.
 


Of course the big bang theory could be wrong. It's merely the best fit to date. You need only propose a model that better fits observational evidence.
 


nicksauce said:
Do you mean that there is a slight mistake with the current model? Then the change is incorporated and the model is improved. Or do you mean that the big-bang didn't occur and there was no start to the universe 13.7 billion years ago from a hot dense point? Well this is sort of like asking "What would happen if evolution was proved wrong?" or "What would happen if the periodicity in chemistry was proved wrong?". In any case, the respective fields would be completely turned over, but the the theories are so well founded that this is hard for me to imagine.

And, what if the universe is non-homogenous at the largest scales and displays a fractal matter distribution? Can you imagine that?

Is it as much a death blow to the Big Bang as pundits claim, if the latest results are upheld? If so, what next? Talk about a 'crisis in cosmology'... ;o]

"Umm, yeah, our model just blew up," *blank look* "we've got nothing..."

Kidding, mostly. Except that it's such a serious question.

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You have culled nothing of importance, merely hints of discordant observations. If you have a better model in mind, please share.
 


Chronos said:
You have culled nothing of importance, merely hints of discordant observations. If you have a better model in mind, please share.
Worse, mgmirkin's sources are not even papers or conference proceedings!

You may wish to take some time to understand what PF is, mgmirkin, and how it works; 'science by press release' or 'science by cherry-picking popsci magazine articles' doesn't quite cut it.

ETA: worse squared ... mgmirkin, you do realize, don't you, that pulsars models and how individual stars form (for example) have essentially no connection with LCDM cosmological models?
 
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nicksauce said:
Or do you mean that the big-bang didn't occur and there was no start to the universe 13.7 billion years ago from a hot dense point?

With all respect but the universe did not "start" 13.7 billion year ago, which does not mean that the BB theory is wrong, only your description of it. However small, the (observable) universe was never the size of a point.
 

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