Needing images of atoms for project

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for images illustrating the atomic and crystal structures of the minerals Kyanite, Andalusite, and Sillimanite, specifically focusing on the constituent atoms aluminum, silicon, and oxygen. The context includes a presentation aimed at children, highlighting the need for clear and accessible visual representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests images of the atomic structure of minerals, specifically diagrams showing the nucleus and electrons of aluminum, silicon, and oxygen.
  • Another participant questions whether the requester is looking for images of crystal structures or just atomic representations, noting that the latter may not convey information about the minerals' crystal structures.
  • A participant shares links to resources for both crystal structures and atomic configurations, indicating that these may be useful for the original request.
  • A participant expresses difficulty accessing crystal structure images due to browser issues and mentions reaching out to the site owner for assistance.
  • A later reply discusses the coordination of aluminum and silicon in the crystal structures, mentioning specific characteristics of Kyanite, Andalusite, and Sillimanite.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the type of images needed, with some focusing on atomic representations and others emphasizing the importance of crystal structures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best resources for the requester.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential difficulties in accessing certain resources due to technical issues, as well as the varying interpretations of what constitutes useful imagery for the presentation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for educators, students, or hobbyists interested in mineralogy, particularly those looking for visual aids related to atomic and crystal structures of minerals.

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I am looking for ways to illustrate the chemical makeup of minerals.

I belong to a mineral club and I am scheduled to give a presentation to the children about the polymorph mineral group of Kyanite, Andalusite, and Sillimanite. I would like to have images of the atoms that make up these minerals to illustrate the molecular structure of the materials. I tried Google and went 20 pages deep and came up with nothing. I am sure there must be a website somewhere that would have those images. I am not looking for anything fancy ... just a diagram showing nucleus and electrons that will print well as well as show up well on a computer screen. The elements I am looking for are aluminum, silicon, and oxygen. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Paul in Marietta :biggrin:
 
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Do you want to see images of the crystal structures of kyanite, andalusite and sillimanite or simply the pictorial representations of the contituent atoms (Al, Si, O) - the latter will really tell you nothing about the crystal structure of the minerals.

Crystal structures :
http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~tmenard/crystal/alsi.html
http://www.minweb.co.uk/silicates/kyanexpd.html

Atomic Configurations :
http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/O/econ.html
http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Si/econ.html
http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Al/econ.html
 
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crystal structures

The atomic configuration images were great! Thanks! I tried viewing the crystal structures but my browser kept telling me I need a plugin but then it could not find one. I emailed the site owner asking for help but whow knows?
 
Files for kyanite, andalusite and sillimanite (Al2SiO5) come with CrystalMaker. To see the differences, one often draws (distorted) octaedra around Al and tetrahedra around Si. See the attached file of kyanite.

Sillimanite also has aluminum in tetraedral coordination.

Andulusite (not inluded here) looks complicated.
 

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