How Do You Calculate Torque for a Swing Gate with Dual Hinges?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the torque required to rotate a swing gate that is supported by two hinges. Participants explore the necessary parameters for this calculation, including the gate's weight, dimensions, moment of inertia, and angular acceleration, as well as considerations for motor selection.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the need to include the total weight of the gate in the torque calculation, given that it is supported by two hinges.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the moment of inertia and specifies the need for angular acceleration to determine torque.
  • A participant mentions calculating angular acceleration for a constant speed motor and provides a value for angular acceleration in radians per second squared.
  • Another response proposes assuming constant acceleration and outlines a method to compute final angular velocity and torque, while also considering frictional moments and the impact of motor operation on swing time.
  • A later reply provides a detailed mathematical approach to relate torque, swing time, and angular velocities, introducing variables for frictional moments and other parameters necessary for calculations.

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Participants express various approaches to calculating torque and angular acceleration, with no consensus reached on a single method or solution. Multiple competing views on the calculation process and parameters remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants reference specific assumptions, such as the need for constant acceleration and the effects of friction, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or resolved. The discussion includes complex mathematical relationships that may depend on specific definitions and conditions.

pramura
Hello everyone!

I need a help from your side. I need the calculation for pulling torque needed to rotate a swing gate hinged at two points.Weight of the gate is 130kg, width 5ft(1.524m) and height is also 5ft. Upper hinge is 0.381m from top and lower hinge is 0.381m from bottom.
Do i need to include the total weight of the gate for this torque calculation, because the gate is supported by two hinges.

what is the suitable motor for this application?

Thanks in advance,
 
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pramura said:
Hello everyone!

I need a help from your side. I need the calculation for pulling torque needed to rotate a swing gate hinged at two points.Weight of the gate is 130kg, width 5ft(1.524m) and height is also 5ft. Upper hinge is 0.381m from top and lower hinge is 0.381m from bottom.
Do i need to include the total weight of the gate for this torque calculation, because the gate is supported by two hinges.

what is the suitable motor for this application?

Thanks in advance,

You will need to calculate the Moment of Inertia for the gate about the axis of rotation, and you will need to specify how quickly the gate should be accelerated in the move. Those numbers will lead you to the torque. Are you familiar with those terms? If not, www.wikipedia.org has reasonable introductions...
 
Thanks for your reply berkeman. Yes, for torque calculation we need moment of inertia and angular acceleration.I need to open the gate from 0 to 90 degrees in 15 secs. I calculated moment of inertia but for acceleration if I use constant speed motor to open the gate how can i calculate angular acceleration. I converted degrees into radians and i got 0.1047176 rad/s2. Is that correct.
 
Perhaps assume constant acceleration, alpha1, from 0 to theta1 radians. Then, using kinematics, compute final angular velocity, omega1, at theta1. Using statics, compute the frictional moment M, assuming a high mu value (rusty hinges). Motor torque T to overcome the total moment would be T = M + I*alpha. Perhaps turn off the motor at theta1 radians. Now T in the above equation becomes zero; therefore, solve for alpha2 to obtain the constant deceleration from theta1 to 90 deg. The initial angular velocity from theta1 radians to 90 deg is omega1. Using kinematics, compute the final (latching) angular velocity, omega2, at 90 deg. Using kinematics again, you can now compute the total swing time. Play around with this until you get what you consider to be an acceptable minimum (and maximum) latching angular velocity, and a total swing time of 15 s. You might want a damper or spring to handle the latching impact, to avoid damaging the structure (?). Maybe someone can let us know if the above approach sounds valid or incorrect.
 
pramura: Here is the key to solving the approach described in post 4. If you put all the above information together, it happens that T and t1 have a unique solution, as follows. (The motor is turned on at theta0 = 0 rad, when omega0 = 0 rad/s, which occurs at t0 = 0 s.)

t1 = (M*tt^2 + 2*I*omega2*tt - 2*I*thetat)/(M*tt + I*omega2),
T = (M*tt + I*omega2)/t1,

where T = motor torque (N*m),
t1 = time at which motor is turned off (s),
tt = gate total swing time (s),
thetat = gate total swing angle (rad),
M = frictional moment (N*m),
I = gate mass moment of inertia about hinge axis (kg*m^2),
omega2 = gate final (latching) angular velocity (rad/s).

After you compute T and t1, you can compute any other quantity, such as the following, using kinematics or kinetics.

alpha1 = gate constant angular acceleration while motor is running (rad/s^2),
alpha2 = gate constant angular acceleration while motor is not running (rad/s^2),
theta1 = swing angle at instant motor is turned off (rad),
theta2 = swing angle after motor is turned off (rad) = thetat - theta1,
t2 = gate swing time after motor is turned off (s) = tt - t1,
omega1 = gate angular velocity at theta1 (rad/s).

You can develop your own frictional moment M, but I arbitrarily used M = 2[0.5*Dp*muk*H + 0.5(1.25*Dp)*muk*V], where Dp = hinge pin diameter (m), muk = hinge kinetic coefficient of friction, H = horizontal reaction force applied to each hinge (N) = (m1*g)*0.5*(1.524 m)/(0.762 m), V = vertical reaction force applied to each hinge (N) = 0.5*m1*g, and m1 = gate mass (kg). Parameters omega2 and muk are fundamental input parameters you must specify to define your design.

It is interesting to see what happens to T as you decrease muk. Hint: To compute alpha1 and alpha2, see post 4.
 

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