QM hidden variables, the existence of the past, etc

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The discussion revolves around the nature of physical laws, the interpretation of the past, and concepts related to free will within the context of physics. Participants explore philosophical implications and the potential for change in fundamental aspects of reality, such as time and matter.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses skepticism about the assumption that the laws of physics will remain unchanged in the future, suggesting that time, space, and matter could cease to exist at any moment.
  • Another participant argues that the interpretation of the past is subjective and varies between individuals, which may affect future judgments and experiments.
  • The concept of free will is mentioned, with a suggestion that it could relate to the influence of conscious decisions on future outcomes, potentially linking to ideas of non-locality or time travel.
  • A participant notes that discussions about free will might be more appropriate for the Philosophy section of the forum, indicating a boundary between physics and philosophical inquiry.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the uncertainty of physical laws and the nature of reality, with calls for proof against the assertion that they could change.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the stability of physical laws, the interpretation of the past, and the implications of free will. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes subjective interpretations and philosophical considerations that may not align with established scientific frameworks. There are references to personal beliefs and emotional responses that influence the discourse.

Kirk Gregory Czuhai
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and throughout all this I get the "feeling" that most of you just expect that the "laws" of physics, (whatever they ARE) will remain unchanged thoughout the future!

This of course cannot be assumed!

Time, space, matter, of ALL types could very well come to an END in the NEXT SECOND! Can anybody PROVE me wrong?

love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
p.s. omg!, i hope NOT!
http://www.altelco.net/~churches/BlueRoses.htm
 
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of course not! just like no one could prove beyond all doubt that the past absoultely occurred just as anyONE would "INTERPRET" it.

Thus since the enviorment, or even the physics of the past, (as interpreted) by each individual will be at least slightly different for each person, it can be expected that this will influence the judgements of interpretations of the physics experiments in whatever future "experiments" the two or more people conduct in the future.

Actually to answer what "exactly" what is meant by "free will" would be better left to the Philosophy section of Physics Forums and would of course entail religious aspects for many so is not appropriate to discuss in depth here.

However as far as the "physics" is concerned, a person, can consciously make decisions early that will influence his later decisions so in this sense he/she has free will to chose in a physics sense how his future will be. I suppose in some sense this could be considered in some sense a non-locality of space time! OR EVEN TIME TRAVEL?
what does anybody think of this?
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
p.s.
i have the bad habbit of typing urls that have nothing to do with topics under discussion and i am sorry for that. morbid sense of humor i guess. i will try harder to stop this. BUT ELECTRON DECAY? well! i am an emotional guy. i get carried away at times and get EXCITED by INTERESTING THINGS!
 
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
and throughout all this I get the "feeling" that most of you just expect that the "laws" of physics, (whatever they ARE) will remain unchanged thoughout the future!

This of course cannot be assumed!

Time, space, matter, of ALL types could very well come to an END in the NEXT SECOND! Can anybody PROVE me wrong?

love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
p.s. omg!, i hope NOT!
http://www.altelco.net/~churches/BlueRoses.htm
Kirk, these are good questions ... but the appropriate place to discuss them is the Philosophy section of PF - specifically, the philosophy of science.
 
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Here is the thread that this was split from

Oops! This post of mine should be at the start of this thread (sorry that it's not so easy to follow).

Here is the thread that these posts were split from ...
 

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