How are Vectors described in Bispherical Coordinates?

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The discussion centers on the description of vector fields in bispherical coordinates, specifically focusing on the components ##A_σ, A_τ, A_φ## and their meanings. Participants explore the implications of using bispherical coordinates in the context of differential geometry and electric fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the meaning and direction of the vector components ##A_σ, A_τ, A_φ## in bispherical coordinates.
  • Another participant suggests that the σ component may represent a vector tangential to the σ circle in bipolar coordinates, but expresses uncertainty regarding its application in 3D bispherical coordinates.
  • A participant explains that in differential geometry, basis vectors are curved and follow geodesics rather than straight lines, which complicates the understanding of vector components.
  • There is a request for a diagram to illustrate how to derive the components ##A_σ, A_τ, A_φ## from a Euclidean vector.
  • One participant mentions that the electric field in question is related to standard electrostatics, but the paper utilizes bispherical coordinates due to the system's nature.
  • Another participant discusses the need to consider distances in terms of arc-length across a manifold rather than using standard distance formulas.
  • A participant expresses confusion about specifying a point where the τ and σ circles intersect in bipolar coordinates.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of sharing a scientific paper to clarify points raised in the discussion.
  • One participant believes the electric field is strongest at the surface of either sphere and seeks to make sense of the derived equations for the electric field.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of vector components in bispherical coordinates. There is no consensus on the specific meanings or applications of these components, and multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of applying differential geometry concepts to vector fields in bispherical coordinates, including the need for a metric tensor and the challenges of specifying points in bipolar coordinates.

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I was reading a paper that described a vector field in terms of its three components , ##A_σ,A_τ,A_φ##.
with σ, τ and φ being the three bispherical coordinates.

what does ##A_σ## mean? In what direction does the component point? Likewise for the other two components.
 
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Have you tried looking up the definition?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Have you tried looking up the definition?
yes but to no avail. I couldn't find anything remotely related.

in bipolar coordinates, is the σ component the component of the vector tangential to the σ circle?

I can't be certain about how it works in 3D bispherical coordinates though.

also, in bipolar coordinates the τ and σ circles intersect at two points, how does one specify a specific point?
 
Hey tade.

Usually it means a vector basis component if it is written in that form.

In differential geometry, the basis vectors are curved instead of straight and follow what is called a geodesic or a curved path instead of a straight line.
 
chiro said:
Hey tade.

Usually it means a vector basis component if it is written in that form.

In differential geometry, the basis vectors are curved instead of straight and follow what is called a geodesic or a curved path instead of a straight line.
I see. that sounds rather confusing. do you have a diagram that shows how to obtain ##A_σ,A_τ,A_φ## from a "straight arrow" Euclidean vector?

The vector field in question is an electric field. Standard electrostatics. Though the paper uses bispherical coordinates due to the nature of the system.
 
In normal geometry the arrows are straight and you write a point as a linear combination of them.

In differential geometry the arrows are curved and instead of doing distance via the normal metric you use a thing like a metric tensor to find the distance between two points.

Basically the vectors are curved which means you have to invoke differential geometry and look at the distance in terms of arc-length across a manifold instead of the standard distance formula via the Pythagorean theorem and inner products in R^n.
 
Also, in bipolar coordinates the τ and σ circles intersect at two points, how does one specify a specific point?
chiro said:
In normal geometry the arrows are straight and you write a point as a linear combination of them.

In differential geometry the arrows are curved and instead of doing distance via the normal metric you use a thing like a metric tensor to find the distance between two points.

Basically the vectors are curved which means you have to invoke differential geometry and look at the distance in terms of arc-length across a manifold instead of the standard distance formula via the Pythagorean theorem and inner products in R^n.
I'm still confused, so I want to cut to the chase. Am I allowed to post a scientific paper here? Its only 3 pages. It'll help to get my point across.
 
You can definitely try and post a link.

If the moderators will ban the link then they will do so but I don't see the harm in showing us the information.
 
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Imagine a line that connects the centers of both spheres. I want to know what the value of the electric field along this line is when its magnitude is at its strongest.

I believe that the field is at its strongest at the surface of either sphere . The equations for the electric field have been derived but idk how to make sense of them.
 
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chiro said:
You can definitely try and post a link.

If the moderators will ban the link then they will do so but I don't see the harm in showing us the information.
just a heads up that I've replied.
 

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