I Follow-up on the Expanding Universe Insight article

Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on the transformation of Robertson-Walker comoving observers into local Minkowski coordinates, specifically addressing a discrepancy in the Insight article regarding the relationship between the coordinates. It clarifies that for small values of ##x##, the term involving ##x^2## in the transformation can be neglected, allowing the approximation ##\tau \simeq t##. This simplification is justified since the derivation assumes ##x^{\alpha} = 0## at the event ##p##. The participants agree that the expressions for ##\xi## in both the discussion and the Insight are consistent under the assumption of small ##x##. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of the assumptions made in the coordinate transformation process.
cianfa72
Messages
2,874
Reaction score
302
TL;DR
About the form of RW comoving observer worldline in local Minkowski frame at event p.
Hi, reading this Insight raised a doubt regarding the section "Comoving observers in a local Minkowski frame".

Robertson-Walker (RW) comoving observers have constant ##x## in comoving coordinates (to take it simple assume a 1+1 RW spacetime). From the following coordinate transformation into local Minkowski coordinates at event ##p##
$$\begin{align*}\tau &\simeq t + \frac{1}{2}H_0 a_0^2 x^2 = t + \frac{1}{2} a’^2_0 x^2, \\\xi &\simeq a_0 x (1 + H_0 t).\end{align*}$$
a comoving observer at proper distance ##d_0## from ##\xi = 0## at ##\tau=0## (i.e. on the spacelike hypersurface ##\tau=0##) has ##\xi = d_0## coordinate, hence ##x= d_0 / a_0##. Therefore such comoving observer's worldline in comoving coordinates is given by ##x= d_0 / a_0## constant and varying ##t##.

Substituting it into the transformation above yields in ##(\xi, \tau)## local Minkowski coordinates
$$\xi \simeq d_0 (1 + H_0 t)$$
However in the Insight it is given by
$$\xi \simeq d_0 (1 + H_0 \tau)$$
From where the above come from ? Thanks.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
They are the same to the ordered considered in the ##\simeq## relation.
 
Orodruin said:
They are the same to the ordered considered in the ##\simeq## relation.
Ah ok, basically for "small" ##x## the term involving ##x^2## in $$\tau \simeq t + \frac{1}{2}H_0 a_0^2 x^2 = t + \frac{1}{2} a’^2_0 x^2$$ can be neglected, hence ##\tau \simeq t##.

It makes sense to pick "small" values for ##x## since the derivation of the transformation from RW coordinates to local Minkowski coordinates at point/event ##p## employs the assumption ##x^{\alpha} = 0## at ##p##.
 
Last edited:
Moderator's note: Spin-off from another thread due to topic change. In the second link referenced, there is a claim about a physical interpretation of frame field. Consider a family of observers whose worldlines fill a region of spacetime. Each of them carries a clock and a set of mutually orthogonal rulers. Each observer points in the (timelike) direction defined by its worldline's tangent at any given event along it. What about the rulers each of them carries ? My interpretation: each...

Similar threads

  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
11
Views
1K