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The discussion revolves around a geometric problem involving the area of overlap between two squares of different sizes, with one square positioned such that one of its vertices is at the center of the other. Participants explore various configurations, mathematical expressions, and conditions affecting the area of overlap, including the influence of angles and side lengths.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem of calculating the area of overlap between a small square (1 meter side) and a larger square (1.5 meters side) with specific positioning.
  • Another participant suggests that a figure would aid in understanding the problem.
  • Some participants argue that the area of overlap remains consistent across different angle configurations, though this claim is questioned regarding varying side lengths.
  • Mathematical expressions are proposed to define the area of overlap as a function of angle and side length, with specific cases outlined based on the relationship between the squares' sizes.
  • Participants discuss the symmetry of the area formulas when exchanging the side lengths of the squares, suggesting that similar results may be expected under certain conditions.
  • One participant notes the critical angles involved in determining the area of overlap based on the squares' dimensions and orientations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of angle configurations for determining the area of overlap, and while some agree on the symmetry of certain cases, others raise questions about the implications of varying side lengths and angles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader applicability of the findings.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific configurations and the need for further exploration of the overlap area as a function of angle and side length. Some mathematical steps and assumptions remain unresolved.

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TL;DR
Two squares overlap in a given configuration. Find the area of overlap.
Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by
Pierre Berloquin.

The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of
a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the
large square is at the center of the small square. The side of
the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one-
third parts and two-thirds parts.

What is the area where the squares overlap?
 
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A figure sure helps.
Overlapping Squares.webp
Let ##a=0.5~##m. The area of the overlap is ##0.25~\text{m}^2.##
 
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bob012345 said:
TL;DR: Two squares overlap in a given configuration. Find the area of overlap.

The side of
the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one-
third parts and two-thirds parts.
It seems not necessary. For any angle configuration we get the same result.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
It seems not necessary. For any angle configuration we get the same result.
The next level is if we let the length ##s## of the larger square vary, what range of values of ##s## will your statement not be true?
 
$$s=\sqrt{2}/2$$is the minimum value satisfying it though not larger any more. And also $$s=\frac{1}{2\sqrt{2}} $$is the maximum.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
$$s=\sqrt{2}/2$$is the minimum value satisfying it though not larger any more.
Agreed. Now the larger square is the 1m square. The overlap depends on the relative orientation until ##s## shrinks to ##\frac{1}{2\sqrt{2}}## then it just becomes ##s^2##.

Now it would be interesting to see for ##s## in that range what the overlap vs. angle function is.
 
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This is my interpretation of the problem statement in the original post.
1765195742799.webp
 
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I worked out the overlap of the two squares as a function of angle. Given ##a## is the half edge length of the original square and ##s## is the full edge length of the second square with one corner at the center of the first ;

IMG_4540.webp

The area function goes as;

$$
A_{\text{overlap}} =
\begin{cases}
\mathbf{\text{For } s \ge \sqrt{2}a:} \\[10pt]
\quad \begin{cases}
a^2 &
\end{cases}
\\[20pt]
\mathbf{\text{For } a \le s \le \sqrt{2}a:} \text{ where } \theta_{\text{crit}} = \sin^{-1}\left(\frac{s}{a\sqrt{2}}\right) - \frac{\pi}{4}: \\[10pt]
\quad \begin{cases}
s^2 - \frac{\left(a - \sqrt{2}s \sin\left(\theta + \frac{\pi}{4}\right)\right)^2}{\sin(2\theta)} & \text{if } \theta_{\text{crit}} \le \theta \le \frac{\pi}{2} - \theta_{\text{crit}} \\[10pt]
a^2 & \text{otherwise}
\end{cases}
\\[20pt]
\mathbf{\text{For } a/\sqrt{2} \le s \le a:} \text{ where } \theta_{\text{crit}} = \sin^{-1}\left(\frac{a}{s\sqrt{2}}\right) - \frac{\pi}{4}: \\[10pt]
\quad \begin{cases}
s^2 - \frac{\left(a - \sqrt{2}s \sin\left(\theta + \frac{\pi}{4}\right)\right)^2}{\sin(2\theta)} & \text{if } \theta_{\text{crit}} \le \theta \le \frac{\pi}{2} - \theta_{\text{crit}} \\[10pt]
s^2 & \text{otherwise}
\end{cases}
\\[20pt]
\mathbf{\text{For } s \le a/\sqrt{2}:} \\[10pt]
\quad \begin{cases}
s^2 &
\end{cases}
\end{cases}
$$
Here is my Desmos page. This is set for ##a=5## and a range of ##s## values. Note the case when ##s=a## where the critical angle is 0 meaning the function covers the entire range of angles.

 
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The answers for the first case and the 4th case are symmetric for exchange of s and a. May we expect the same for the 2nd and the 3rd cases?
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
The answers for the first case and the 4th case are symmetric for exchange of s and a. May we expect the same for the 2nd and the 3rd cases?
Interesting observation! It appears so if both values are within the range of the functions. Looking at ##(a,s)## being (4,5) vs, (5,4), the area of overlap is the same over the angles but they are different situations. Here are screen shots;

IMG_4551.webp
IMG_4550.webp
IMG_4553.webp
IMG_4552.webp
 
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The formula for the 2nd and the 3rd case is written as
$$\frac{a^2+s^2-as(\sin\theta + \cos\theta)}{2 \sin\theta \cos\theta}$$
which is obviously symmetric between s and a, and also between sin and cos, i.e. symmetric wrt y=x axis.. Thus we observe that the 3rd case solution comes from the 2nd case solution just by exchanging s and a.
 
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