Solvents for cleaning soap film?

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The discussion revolves around the best methods for cleaning soap film from a surface prior to recaulk with silicone-based caulk. Participants explore various cleaning solvents and their effectiveness in removing soap residues, considering both practical and chemical approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using warm water to dissolve the soap, noting that it is highly soluble and will evaporate without leaving residues.
  • Another participant proposes that a pH change could help remove soap molecules, recommending weak acids like vinegar or HCl for this purpose.
  • A different viewpoint mentions that an alcohol and water solution might effectively rinse away detergent solutions and foam.
  • Several participants discuss the concentration of HCl, with suggestions ranging from 1% to 5%, debating the implications of acidity on cleaning effectiveness.
  • One participant raises concerns about applying new silicone over old silicone, citing potential issues with adhesion due to oil migration and the structural integrity of the bond.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best cleaning method, with no consensus on the most effective solvent. There is also a lack of agreement on the appropriate concentration of HCl to use, indicating ongoing debate regarding the cleaning process.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of thorough cleaning to ensure proper adhesion of new caulk, while others highlight the potential risks associated with applying new silicone over old silicone.

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I have a DIY project question.

Background:
I was caulking a tile to tub gap in my bathroom remodel with a silicon based caulk (Mapei Mapesil T Plus). Caulk was applied then sprayed with a dilute dish soap and water mix for tooling. But I had some cosmetic issues so I wiped out about half of the caulk and then let it dry for 3 days (so far). Now I want to recaulk it but I'm sure there's a soap film that I want to remove so the caulk will bond well.

Comment:
Unfortunately much of the web thinks a "soap film" is about hard water with old mineral deposits, which this isn't. It's just Dove brand dishwashing liquid.

Question:
Is there a better common cleaning solvent than water for soap? Paint Thinner? Acetone? HCl?
 
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Use warm water, then wait for it to dry. If you don't want to wait, use a hair dryer.

Soap is very soluble in water. And the water will readily evaporate leaving nothing behind that will interfere with caulking.

Also:
anything that the shower is made from will be water tolerant.
in the manner you will be using it, water is non-toxic
 
Any adhering soap molecules might be resolublize-able with a pH change. I have used weak acids for this (in lab, weak HCL, but at home maybe vinegar). This has worked for me with tissue culture equipment which is a very sensitive use.
 
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I may be misunderstanding the practicalities of this situation, but a solution of alcohol & water could help rinse away detergent solutions and their foam very well.
 
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BillTre said:
weak HCL
Like 5% perhaps?
 
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DaveE said:
Like 5% perhaps?
Even less would be what we did. But we were removing any left over lab detergent from the wash cycle.
5% would probably be fine.
 
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5% HCl is 1.4 M, that's already quite concentrated in the context of just changing pH (yields pH in the zero range, that's seriously acidic). I would start around 1% (which is probably an overkill as well).
 
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According to Google AI:
You generally should not apply new silicone over old silicone for a long-lasting, watertight seal because oils migrate out, preventing proper adhesion, but you can do it if the old bead is very fresh (hours old) or if you use special products like a silicone restorer or a compatible primer after thorough cleaning, though removing the old bead is always the best and most reliable method for a durable finish.

I searched on "silicone over silicone".
In addition to the "oils" described above, I would be concerned about the ability of the new silicone to extend existing chains below the old surface. If a thin (say 8mm) sheet of silicone was formed from a first pouring followed hours later with an adjacent (as opposed to layered) second pouring, I predict that the preferred tear path would be along the boundary between the pourings.
 
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