"Critical" Triangle Problem

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The discussion conclusively establishes that a triangle with all rational side lengths and rational angle measures in degrees cannot exist, based on Niven's theorem and related proofs. Using Euler's identity and rational root theorem, it is shown that angles ##\theta = q\pi## with rational cosine and sine values imply trivial cases where either sine or cosine is zero. The key reference is Niven's book "Irrational Numbers," specifically Section 5 (pages 38-41), which proves that the tangent of a rational angle in degrees is irrational except for trivial cases like 0°. The only possible rational angle values from Niven's theorem are 30°, but these do not satisfy the triangle angle sum of 180°.

PREREQUISITES

  • Euler's identity and complex exponential form of trigonometric functions
  • Niven's theorem on rational values of sine and cosine for rational multiples of π
  • Rational root theorem in polynomial algebra
  • Basic triangle angle sum properties and rational angle measure concepts

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  • Study Niven's theorem in detail, especially Section 5 of "Irrational Numbers" (pages 38-41)
  • Explore proofs involving rational tangents of rational angles, such as Lemma 12 in "Fermat's last theorem for rational exponents"
  • Apply Euler's formula to analyze rationality conditions of trigonometric values
  • Investigate polynomial derivative properties used in the proof, including the role of higher-order derivatives vanishing

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Mathematicians, geometry researchers, and advanced students interested in number theory, rational trigonometry, and the properties of rational triangles. Also valuable for educators explaining the limitations of rational angle and side length combinations in Euclidean geometry.

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Homework Statement
Let triangle ABC be a right-angled triangle with angle C = 90°. Let a, b, and c denote the lengths of the sides opposite to vertices A, B, and C, respectively, and let alpha and beta denote the measures of the interior angles at A and B.
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A right triangle is called "critical" if it simultaneously satisfies the following conditions:
1. All side lengths a, b, and c are strictly positive rational numbers

2. The measures of the acute angles alpha and beta, when expressed in pure degrees, are rational numbers (ex. 90°, 68.4°, etc.)

If such a triangle exists, provide an example; if not, prove its non-existence.
No attempts to solve it by myself yet. It would be very nice if someone can help me
 
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Thanks, so it seems like no such triangle exist
 
Here's my thinking. We need an angle ##\theta = q\pi## (in radians), where ##q## and both ##\cos \theta## and ##\sin \theta## are rational. We can write this using Euler's identity:
$$e^{iq\pi} = e^{i\theta} = \cos \theta + i\sin \theta = a + ib \ \ (q, a,b \in \mathbb Q)$$Now, if ##q = k/m##, then ##2mq = 2k## and:
$$(a + ib)^{2m} = e^{i2k\pi} = 1$$I don't know if that helps.
 
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I think you can finish it off by looking at the imaginary part and using the rational root theorem. This would show that either ##a = 0## or ##b = 0##.

There's a key factor in this particular problem that means you don't need to use the full power of Niven's theorem. That is that all sides of the triangle have rational lengths.

Or, perhaps not?
 
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According to Wiki, the case against rational tangent of rational angle in degrees is provided in Nivens "Irrational Numbers" - a book that I do not have.
But that is the specific case required by the OP.
 
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willyengland said:
Thanks @willyengland !

Section 5 (page numbers 38 to 41; pdf sheets 49 to 52) is titled "Extension to the Tangent" and provides a proof that refutes the general case of a rational tangent of a rational angle in degrees. The result is state in his Corollary 3.12 which reports the only exception being tan(0).
 
In the Niven's book referenced above, is there an error in the last line of the following excerpt?

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Shouldn't it rather be
##F^{(2)}(x) \sin (x)+F(x) \sin (x)=f(x) \sin (x)-f^{(4p)}(x) \sin (x)##
?
 
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Hill said:
In the Niven's book referenced above, is there an error in the last line of the following excerpt?

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Shouldn't it rather be
##F^{(2)}(x) \sin (x)+F(x) \sin (x)=f(x) \sin (x)-f^{(4p)}(x) \sin (x)##
?
Ah, perhaps it should, but as ##f(x)## is a polynomial of degree ##4p-2##, ##f^{(4p)}(x)=0##.
 
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.Scott said:
According to Wiki, the case against rational tangent of rational angle in degrees is provided in Nivens "Irrational Numbers" - a book that I do not have.
But that is the specific case required by the OP.
No, we do not need to look for rational tangents. We can actually ignore condition 1 altogether:
DanteKennedy said:
1. All side lengths a, b, and c are strictly positive rational numbers

All we need is condition 2:
DanteKennedy said:
2. The measures of the acute angles alpha and beta, when expressed in pure degrees, are rational numbers (ex. 90°, 68.4°, etc.)

Niven's Theorem gives us that the only possible value for both alpha and beta are 30°, and ## 30° + 30° + 90° \ne 180° ##

Wikipedia gives a link to a freely available proof as Lemma 12 in "Fermat's last theorem for rational exponents".
 

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