Finding the Length of QP in a Circle-Triangle Problem

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The problem involves a circle with a radius of 1 unit that touches the x-axis, with a center located in the first quadrant. A tangent from the origin touches the circle, and a point P is defined such that triangle OAP is a right triangle with a specified perimeter of 8 units. The goal is to find the length of segment QP.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to approach the problem, including using trigonometry and similar triangles. Some suggest drawing sketches and auxiliary lines to visualize relationships between the triangles involved. There are also attempts to express lengths in terms of a single variable.

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Several participants have shared their approaches, with some providing equations derived from their reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the triangles OAP and QTP, with some participants questioning the assumptions made regarding their similarity and the implications for solving the problem.

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Participants note the challenge posed by the limited information provided, particularly the reliance on the radius of the circle and the perimeter condition. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and methods, with no explicit consensus reached on a single approach.

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Q)A circle C whose radius is 1 unit touches the x-axis at 'A'.The centre Q lies in 1st quadrant.The tangent(other than x-axis) from origin touches the circle at T and a point P lies on it such that OAP is a right angled triangle with right angle at 'A' and its perimeter is 8 units.Then the length of QP is:-
a)0.5
b)4/3
c)5/3
d)None of these

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This seems to difficult to me as nothing is given except the radius of the circle. Suppose I assume the point T to be (α,β) I can write the equation of tangent in terms of α and β if only I know the equation of the circle.
 
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Here is how I would go about it. Let OA = a be given, then find the angle AOQ and AOP. Do some trig to find the 3 sides, you know they add up to 8. Hopefully at that point it'll all work out.
 
Here is a general outline of the approach I took:
- Draw a good sketch of the picture
- Draw auxiliary line QT which forms right triangle PTQ (note that right triangle QTP is similar to right triangle OAP). Using similar triangles will make the algebra much easier.
- I let my variables be theta for angle QOA and let segment OA have length 'a', as verty mentioned.
- Then if you work at it (using similar triangles and a little trig) you can show that segment TP has length 2a/(a^2-1). Similarly you can show that segment QP has length (a^2+1)/(a^2-1).
- We now have the lengths of the pieces of the perimiter of right triangle OAP all in terms of a single variable 'a'.
- In other words: 2a + 2a/(a^2-1) + (a^2+1)/(a^2-1) + 1 = 8 for which you can easily solve for a, and then substitute to get the length of QP.

Junaid Mansuri
 
There's actually a very elegant way of solving this problem if you can realize that right triangle QTP is not only similar to right triangle OAP but that the base of right triangle OAP has length 'a' and the base of right triangle QTP has corresponding length 1. This means that right triangle OAP is 'a' times bigger than right triangle QTP which means the perimeter of right triangle QTP is simply 8/a.
This leads immediately to the equation: 2a+1+8/a - 1 = 8 which gives you a = 2 without having to do any trig. So the perimeter of triangle QTP must be 4. Then you can use similar triangles to solve for QP.
 
junaid314159 said:
There's actually a very elegant way of solving this problem if you can realize that right triangle QTP is not only similar to right triangle OAP but that the base of right triangle OAP has length 'a' and the base of right triangle QTP has corresponding length 1. This means that right triangle OAP is 'a' times bigger than right triangle QTP which means the perimeter of right triangle QTP is simply 8/a.
This leads immediately to the equation: 2a+1+8/a - 1 = 8 which gives you a = 2 without having to do any trig. So the perimeter of triangle QTP must be 4. Then you can use similar triangles to solve for QP.

Thanks. i used your equation for finding a but the other two equations were different from yours. I used the fact that area of ΔOAP is sum of areas of ΔOAQ, ΔOQT and ΔQTP and the perimeter is equal to 8. That saved a lot of time. I want to know how you proved that QTP and OAP are similar.
 
Using areas is a great idea. I didn't try that. Very nice.

They are similar because they are both right triangles and they both contain the same angle, angle P.
 

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