Why are gauge fields in the adjoint rep?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for placing gauge fields in the adjoint representation of gauge groups, particularly in the context of gauge theories and the Standard Model. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical structures, and potential exceptions to this convention.

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  • Some participants question whether there is a deep reason for gauge fields being in the adjoint representation or if it is merely a coincidence that works for groups like SU(2) and SU(3).
  • One participant suggests that the answer involves understanding the Standard Model as a non-fundamental symmetry, where groups arise as automorphism groups.
  • Another participant notes that a representation with a dimension equal to the number of generators always exists, which corresponds to the adjoint representation.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that gauge fields act as connection coefficients, and the transformation properties of the covariant derivative necessitate that they be in the adjoint representation.
  • One participant raises a hypothetical scenario where quarks, leptons, or Higgs fields are not in the fundamental representation, suggesting that gauge fields could potentially exist in other representations, such as the 27 of SU(3).
  • It is noted that if there is at least one fundamental representation, the covariant derivative's transformation properties would enforce that gauge fields must be in the adjoint representation.

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Participants express differing views on whether the placement of gauge fields in the adjoint representation is a fundamental requirement or if alternative representations could be valid under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Does anyone know a deep reason why we always put the gauge fields in the adjoint representation of the group? I am not sure if there is a deep reason or it's just that it "happens" to work for SU(2) and SU(3).

Just wondering.
 
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nrqed said:
Just wondering.

Good question. The answer requires stepping away from gauge theory into the proper version of the Standard Model, where symmetry is NOT fundamental and groups tend to arise as automorphism groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjoint_representation

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note that a rep with dimension equal to the number of generators always exists (may be constructed from the structure constants), and this is your adjoint rep.
 
nrqed said:
Does anyone know a deep reason why we always put the gauge fields in the adjoint representation of the group? I am not sure if there is a deep reason or it's just that it "happens" to work for SU(2) and SU(3).

Just wondering.

It is general.

Equation (11.58) of Griffiths is

\mathbf{\tau} \cdot \mathbf{A}'_\mu = S \left( \mathbf{\tau} \cdot \mathbf{A}_\mu \right) S^{-1} + i \left( \frac{\hbar c}{q} \right) \left( \partial_\mu S \right) S^{-1}.

Here, S is a member of the Lie (gauge) group and \mathbd{\tau} is a basis for its Lie algebra.

If S is a rigid (independent of spacetime position), then only the first term on right survives, and this is just the definition of the adjoint representation of the Lie group on its Lie algebra.

I am not sure if this answers your question.

For mathematicians, \mathbf{\tau} \cdot \mathbf{A}_\mu is a Lie algebra-valued one-form. Since the the spacetime index \mu is downstairs, the A_\mu are the components of a standard one-form. Evaluating this one-form at a 4-vector and using the result in \mathbf{\tau} \cdot \mathbf{A}_\mu gives the sum of a bunch of scalars times the basis elements of the Lie algebra, which is just an element of Lie algebra. Hence, the name Lie algebra-valued (instead of real-valued) one-form.
 
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nrqed said:
Does anyone know a deep reason why we always put the gauge fields in the adjoint representation of the group? I am not sure if there is a deep reason or it's just that it "happens" to work for SU(2) and SU(3).

Just wondering.

Hey.
I was just perusing old posts and found this one, and thought I might add something. One way you can see that the gauge fields must be in the adjoint is to remember that they are connection coefficients. The way that you define the covariant derivative (I don't know if this is the "fundamental" way to think of it, but it's the way I learned it) is that you want the covariant derivative of a field to transform the same way that the field transforms. In other words:

\psi\rightarrow U\psi\Rightarrow D_\mu\psi\rightarrow UD_\mu\psi

This can be thought of as an operator tranforming as:

D_\mu\rightarrow UD_\mu U^{\dagger}

If U is a fundamental rep transformation, this is how the adjoint transforms.

Conclusion: the covariant derivative transforms as an adjoint, and therefore the gauge fields are in the adjoint rep (up to the inhomogeneous term that is canceled by the ordinary derivative).

Now here's a cute follow-up question: what if the quarks/leptons/higgs are NOT in the fundamental? So let's imagine that there is a colored object that is in the 6 of SU(3). Applying the same rule as above, the covariant derivative could transform as any rep of the 6\otimes\bar{6}=27\oplus 8\oplus 1. In particular, I see no reason why the gauge fields cannot be in the 27(!)

Now, it should be clear that if there is EVEN **ONE** fundamental, then the covariant derivative of that field forces the gauge fields to be in the adjoint. So this is all irrelevant for the SM. However, if there is some more complicated symmetry at a higher scale, and no fundamentals of that symmetry, then perhaps we can have more exotic gauge fields!

I don't know if this is right or not. What do you think?
 

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