What solutions can be used to analyze key failure in a lathe gearbox?

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the failure of a key in the output pulley of a lathe gearbox, particularly due to sudden changes in direction of motion. Participants explore theoretical calculations related to stress and seek solutions for understanding the mechanics behind the failure.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions conducting theoretical calculations on crushing and shear stress to understand the failure of the key.
  • Another participant suggests that the failure may be due to inertia, highlighting the impact of sudden acceleration and inertial forces.
  • A participant describes the scenario where the key, under sudden forward and reversing motion, causes the keyway to enlarge, reducing the contact area between the key and the shaft.
  • There is a request for analysis software to determine where the key impacts the keyway most severely.
  • One participant cautions that analysis software is merely a tool and emphasizes the importance of understanding the underlying physics of the problem.
  • Another participant notes that the key is designed to deform to prevent damage to the more costly shaft, suggesting a design perspective on the failure.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to minimize the enlargement of the keyway and mentions conducting practical tests to find the minimum speed for failure.
  • There is a reiteration that the keyway does not actually enlarge, but rather the key deforms and fails.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of the failure, particularly regarding the enlargement of the keyway and the role of the key's deformation. There is no consensus on the best approach to analyze or resolve the issue.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference practical tests and theoretical calculations, but there are limitations in the clarity of the problem description and the assumptions regarding the behavior of the key and keyway.

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i have to find out why the key in output pulley fails due to sudden forward and reversing(in gearbox of lathe)i did some theoretical calculations in crushing & shear stress.please tel some solution regarding analysis of the key
 
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Hi there,

You question or comment is not terribly clear to me. Would you be kind enough to post a picture or drawing of your problem, and what exactly you are looking for.

Cheers
 
stardinesh said:
i have to find out why the key in output pulley fails due to sudden forward and reversing(in gearbox of lathe)

it fails because of inertia. A sudden change of direction of motion means a lot of acceleration & a lot of inertial force(Iα/r) & probably a lot of impact load.

What kind of failure did you observe/calculate for the key?
 
sorry,i can't upload the figure,
imagine a key resting on the key way of shaft,then due to sudden forward & reversig the key makes the keyway(of shaft) larger,thus decreasing the area of contact of key to the shaft along the rectangular perimeter,
i need a analysis software to find at what place the key hits the keyway harder.i.e,to do force anlysis in the key
 
stardinesh said:
sorry,i can't upload the figure,
imagine a key resting on the key way of shaft,then due to sudden forward & reversig the key makes the keyway(of shaft) larger,thus decreasing the area of contact of key to the shaft along the rectangular perimeter,
i need a analysis software to find at what place the key hits the keyway harder.i.e,to do force anlysis in the key

I hope that you do know that an analysis software is not a magic wand. It is only an engineering tool, not an engineer itself.
Before jumping to a shiny graphic solution, you should understand the physics of the problem. I am still not sure what you mean by making the keyway larger. In practice, key is designed to deform first, to prevent any damage to the shaft(you should know which one is costly?? shaft or key!)
In the mean time, try going through this
http://www.motioncontrol.com/products/index.cfm/Selecting-Keyless-vs-Keyed-Connections-for-Motor-to-Gear-Reducer
 
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thanks for the address provided,in that 2.keyed shaft diagram,the effective key height reduces (h)as i told earlier the key hits the keyway of shaft ,thereby increasing the width at the edges(the contact area of key to shaft reduces),thus decreasing the torque transmitted by the key.
i know the failuring area, and conducted practical tests to find the minimum speed (recorded by a tachometer) when suddenly reversed by the shaft.
now i can't know how to minimize the enlarging of the keyway at the edges,i wil try to go through fully the material u provided.
 
now i can't know how to minimize the enlarging of the keyway at the edges
keyway doesn't get larger, the key deforms & finally fails

In practice, key is designed to deform first, to prevent any damage to the shaft(you should know which one is costly?? shaft or key!)
 
what u r telling is correct from design point of view,but my sir told this problem to solve it.i wil go and ask him what exactly did he see,
thanks
 

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