Proof there is TIME as a dimension

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Time is proposed as a dimension intrinsically linked to motion and change, with its existence dependent on the perception of matter and energy. The discussion highlights that without change, time cannot be measured or defined, suggesting that time is a human construct used for organization. The concept of broken symmetry in time is explored, particularly in relation to probabilities derived from Einstein's equation E=mc^2, indicating that energy is more likely to convert into matter than vice versa. Theoretical frameworks like the Theory of Quantized Space (TQS) are introduced, positing that matter exists in four dimensions while energy and space have fewer dimensions. Ultimately, the conversation suggests that time may not exist in the microcosmic realm, challenging conventional understandings of its nature.
  • #31
graviton

Considering the sources in definitions, there is really not much here that we've been given. But from certain deductions over my time with strings, it really is amazing that this defintion has not been greatly expanded upon.

If you consider gravitational waves are not limited by things in the cosmos, then what even becomes stranger, is that this bulk as they like to call it, is teaming with these gravitons.

The question should be how a graviton is mathematically described and then put forward in generalization. It would be interesting to see if such generalization would have been supported by my claims of the graviton capable of representing any of these dimensions.
 
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  • #32
Time isn't a real 'quality' of spatial dimension, it is a 'quantity' of spatial measurement, measurement between objects that change their quality and hence endure. As a quantitative measure upon space [Planck moment, arcsec, millisec, second, minute] time is itself an object, but not an object as a part (a part of space) or of real spatial dimension. Time is rather a dimension of observation, an objectified product of the mind, time being the most prominent feature of the mechanics of consciousness. |Consciousness being absolute and time being a relativised image of consciousness| As time has altered it's own image in the eyes of human beings through the epochs it has become more and more qualitative and hence qualified as a concept (relativity), has qualified time an exterior manifold. We now qualify time traversible or even alterable as if it were; a real continuum of it's own function (of continuity). Langauge encapsulates time and embedds certain temporal values in it's directions, some language embedds itself towards the future whereas others form correlations of time as functions of that very process of embedding - via analysis to the past. The perception of time can be rendered linear or nonlinear. Within linear time is experienced the moment as it goes from point A to point B and so forth, recursions back to point A or projections to point C are not modified in linear time perception. Nonlinear time however is much less predictable it can advance to the perception of new moments yet present, or at least project to their apparent temporal pressence. It does this by embedding previous moments, A, into the present moment, B, by a method of seeking to grasp their true meaning on an intuitive basis. Meanwhile B has passed and is now embedded within the C moment. This kind of process can be viewed as a nonlinear patterning of a time that is 'all over the place' or 'all over the space'. Chaotic pattern formations such as smoke clouds, electrolyte distributions, spiral wave formations, are all macroscopic examples of how certain physical elements order themselves upon space according to their own time signature [geometry]. Time is interpreted by the theoretical physical view to be linear and so very much a quality of how we ideallize event structures in the ordinary compartmentalization of experiences as they are ordered. Life in society, within a social space, is linearly ordered according to the rule based system of it's logic [a square of oppositions.] Life within a tribal community one experiences more nonlinear time from the natural enviornment. Time isn't really 4-dimensional, as a quality, it is not substantialy unified with extensivity of spatial points x,y,z but more to do with their effects, as intervals of image reconstructions in the mind. Time is an added index placed above the variables to signify their direction considered essential in defining the reference frame for a space that has no absolute position itself and must accomadate this with indices that indicate where something was and where it now is. Conceptualized as an extra dimension containing and hence having the same nature of the 3-dimensional space, time as the 4th-dimension is seen as an aggregate of matter. A more rational way of conceptualizing time is not that of a 4-dimensional existent but as a product of the 2-dimensional plane i.e. as a 2 x 2 matrix where we have rather two 2-dimensional planes intersecting each other. For this model, once again we have a plane axis for 3-dimensional space rather than a linear axis. One could conceive this 3-dimensional world as a product of two intersecting sheets of paper at right [y) and left (z] angles where the third dimension [x] is an illusion created by the 1-dimensional actions on the surface of this 2-dimensional matrix. These 1-dimensional events could appear as transformations of points producing topological structures since they are acting from a dimension that doesn't have time, and so they would appear to be unobservables to us. On one side of the universe there may appear to be only 4 sides, 4 dimensions to the space, where on the other side there are 4 more. This could cause an illusion where information coming from the other 4 dimensions correlate the transformations of 1-dimensional points on the 2-planes so that time and 3-dimensional rotations of the plane appear as actual rotations of bodies in a 3-dimensional universe. The rotations are not of objects but of the transformations of points into objects by rotations of space i.e. resonances. For visual spatial perception time is very much embedded as a 3-component dimension because bodies rotate or appear to rotate whereas in auditory spatial perception time is expressed much more linearly, sounds endure as linear drawbacks on a 2-dimensional plane space. Images are reconstructed, their various angles expressions of time by the pressence of the object construed as a set of points acting between these allready 2-dimensionally existing spatial intervals. This interpretation qualifies space as have a surface at a finite distance from some point in the apparent universe but it's surface has no trinary projection, as would be assumed by a 3-axis containing points. The points are rather quantities on the two 2-dimensional planes 2 ^ 2 and not containable in an imaginary 3-component linear model of perception.


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  • #33
if theoretically a graviton can permeate all dimensions, then time is represented in the dimensions?


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How would you define the metric between Q<----->Q

There is a gravitational field around this. If you quantize the gravitational field these points will vary according to the dimension?

The distance and energy, would determine the dimension?
 
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  • #34
I am sure the "graviton in the bulk" string theorists have worked out the low level Einstein relations - remember, the graviton does that, but it doesn't do it through the metric or curvature. The bulk and all remain flat Minkowski manifolds, unaffected by the physics.
 
  • #35
Greetings :)

One possibility is that the gravitons of Minkowski space-time are like particle fields as a series of interconnected 2-dimensional lines. As this could have something to do with a gravitational medium which acts upon it, a sort of 'geometrical graviton function.' Consider a 'scalar ring' transformation of gravitational fields onto the Minkowski space-time. This kind of transformation would be natural since the same gravitational phenomena is present in all higher dimensions. Space-time curvature by the magnitudes of Q and Q having density Q*/Q* and a vector Q(t) would form a gravitational field composed of some 1-dimensional variables that are 'commutative' with the variables over the Minkowski manifold. In a way then it isn't the gravitons which are contained in the flat space but rather their field variables or magnitudinal constituents. What is topologically equiavalent to a graviton would be the higher dimensional representation in the scalar ring (the scalar ring is what a non-moving gravitational field looks like in say the 4th or 5th-dimension) since the scalar field is now being viewed as gravity in 4d or 5d. One might call the relationship an automorphism since the vector space of curvature Q(t1)*/Q(t2)* = Qx + Qy is a ring action upon itself in Minkowski space-time. Therefore the graviton is not a particle of R3 topology in higher dimensions but one of Q2 topology (the topology of an algebraic variety, in this case a scalar ring.) In a sense the graviton is the same here as it is in the 4th and higher dimensions exccept here it is measured by it's inverse. Of course this inverted geometry of the graviton that we approximate is commutative with gravitational 'lines of force' on the Minkowski manifold. Our magnetodynamic graviton ring in 5d would be the proper 6-string image of the graviton given to us by the gravity circuits. These 'circuits' would appear to us, in flat space-time as an electron medium or plasma moving from vector space to 6-string phase space. They also form a multidimensional grid that we can calculate using derivates of Lagrangians, gravitationally determining fluid motions that conformalize on R3. Gravity circuits are the interveining thermal equilibrators of cosmic string events and various astrophysical elements that have strange gravitational properties etc. As a circuit they are a correspondence of linear functions on flat space media where gravity in different areas of the universe are regulated and the graviton is generated.

A.I.
 
  • #36
selfAdjoint said:
I am sure the "graviton in the bulk" string theorists have worked out the low level Einstein relations - remember, the graviton does that, but it doesn't do it through the metric or curvature. The bulk and all remain flat Minkowski manifolds, unaffected by the physics.

Of course I have to think about what you are saying here. Some thought entered my mind when you referred to low level Einstein relations, that the thought of the quantum harmonic oscillator enter my mind. Also Plancklength, and Plancktime.


Quantum Harmonic Oscillator

The quantum harmonic oscillator has implications far beyond the simple diatomic molecule. It is the foundation for the understanding of complex modes of vibration in larger molecules, the motion of atoms in a solid lattice, the theory of heat capacity, etc. In real systems, energy spacings are equal only for the lowest levels where the potential is a good approximation of the "mass on a spring" type harmonic potential. The anharmonic terms which appear in the potential for a diatomic molecule are useful for mapping the detailed potential of such systems.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/hosc.html#c1

So at Plancklength how would we have ever ascertain probabilties with so many gravitons.

You are defintiely making me think here. I know we have referred to orbitals before and the uncertainty principal. Probability diagrams I thought would have spoken here.

But something else made it's way in the bose condensate and greg egan.

I think you will rememeber our conversation around this subject.

But I am still looking at this, as two informations sources have to be looked at that have been collected from Lubos and Baez.
 
  • #37
AtomicInterval said:
Greetings :)

One possibility is that the gravitons of Minkowski space-time are like particle fields as a series of interconnected 2-dimensional lines. As this could have something to do with a gravitational medium which acts upon it, a sort of 'geometrical graviton function.' Consider a 'scalar ring' transformation of gravitational fields onto the Minkowski space-time. This kind of transformation would be natural since the same gravitational phenomena is present in all higher dimensions. Space-time curvature by the magnitudes of Q and Q having density Q*/Q* and a vector Q(t) would form a gravitational field composed of some 1-dimensional variables that are 'commutative' with the variables over the Minkowski manifold. In a way then it isn't the gravitons which are contained in the flat space but rather their field variables or magnitudinal constituents. What is topologically equiavalent to a graviton would be the higher dimensional representation in the scalar ring (the scalar ring is what a non-moving gravitational field looks like in say the 4th or 5th-dimension) since the scalar field is now being viewed as gravity in 4d or 5d. One might call the relationship an automorphism since the vector space of curvature Q(t1)*/Q(t2)* = Qx + Qy is a ring action upon itself in Minkowski space-time. Therefore the graviton is not a particle of R3 topology in higher dimensions but one of Q2 topology (the topology of an algebraic variety, in this case a scalar ring.) In a sense the graviton is the same here as it is in the 4th and higher dimensions exccept here it is measured by it's inverse. Of course this inverted geometry of the graviton that we approximate is commutative with gravitational 'lines of force' on the Minkowski manifold. Our magnetodynamic graviton ring in 5d would be the proper 6-string image of the graviton given to us by the gravity circuits. These 'circuits' would appear to us, in flat space-time as an electron medium or plasma moving from vector space to 6-string phase space. They also form a multidimensional grid that we can calculate using derivates of Lagrangians, gravitationally determining fluid motions that conformalize on R3. Gravity circuits are the interveining thermal equilibrators of cosmic string events and various astrophysical elements that have strange gravitational properties etc. As a circuit they are a correspondence of linear functions on flat space media where gravity in different areas of the universe are regulated and the graviton is generated.

A.I.

Thanks A.I. I am reading :smile:
 

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