Some general formulae for circular orbits in symmetric spacetimes

In summary: It appears that the conversation was discussing the equatorial plane of a spherically symmetric space-time and various metrics that can be used to describe it. These metrics include the Schwarzschild metric, the isotropic Schwarzschild metric, and the non-cartesian PPN approximation to the isotropic Schwarzschild metric. The geodesic equation for the coordinate r is also mentioned, along with various useful quantities such as the proper acceleration of a static observer, the coordinate acceleration of a geodesic observer starting at rest, and the proper and coordinate angular velocities. There are also discussions about the proper and coordinate orbital periods and the orbital velocity measured by a co-located static observer. The conversation ends with a note about the concept of velocity from "
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Consider the equatorial plane of a spherically symmetric space-time. Then we can write the metric in the equatorial plane (theta=pi/2) in terms of three coordinates - [t, r, phi]

ds^2 = -f(r) dt^2 + g(r) dr^2 + h(r) dphi^2

For the Schwarzschild metric we can write:
[tex]f = c^2(1 -\frac{2 G M}{c^2 r}) \quad g = 1 / (1 -\frac{2 G M}{c^2 r}) \quad h = r^2[/tex]

For the isotropic Schwarzschild metric we can write:
[tex]f = c^2 \left( \frac{1-\frac{GM}{2 c^2 r}}{1+\frac{GM}{2 c^2 r}} \right)^2 \quad g = (1 + \frac{GM}{2 c^2 r})^4 \quad h = r^2 (1 + \frac{GM}{2 c^2 r})^4 [/tex]

For the non-cartesian PPN apprxomiation to isotropic Schwarzschild we can write:
[tex]f = c^2 \left( 1 - \frac{2GM}{c^2 r} + \frac{2 G^2 M^2}{c^4 r^2} \right) \quad g = \left( 1 + \frac{2GM}{c^2 r} \right) \quad h = r^2 \left( 1 + \frac{2GM}{c^2 r} \right)
[/tex]

The geodesic equation for r is
[tex]
\frac{d^2r}{d \tau^2} + \frac{(\frac{df}{dr})}{ 2g} (\frac{d^2t}{d \tau^2}) + \frac{(\frac{dg}{dr})}{ 2g} (\frac{d^2 r}{d \tau^2}) + \frac{(\frac{dh}{dr})}{ 2g} (\frac{d^2\phi }{d \tau^2}) = 0
[/tex]

Various useful quantities are (the answers all appear to be sensible to me in Schwarzschild coordinates):

The magnitude of the proper acceleration of a static observer (constant r) as measured with an onboard accelerometer

[tex]c^2 \frac{(\frac{d f}{d r})}{2 f \sqrt{g}}[/tex]

The coordinate acceleration (d^2 r / dt^2) of a geodesic observer who starts out at rest, (dr/dt=0, dphi/dt=0):

[tex]-\frac{(\frac{d f}{d r})}{2g}[/tex]

The coordinate angular velocity [itex]d \phi / dt[/itex]
[tex]\sqrt{\frac{(\frac{d f}{d r})}{(\frac{d h}{d r})}}[/tex]

The proper angular velocity [itex]d \phi / d \tau[/itex]

[tex]c \frac{(\frac{d f}{d r}) } { f (\frac{d h}{d r}) - h (\frac{d f}{d r})} [/tex]

coordinate and proper orbital periods - 2 pi over the respective angular velociteis

The orbital period as measured by a co-located static observer
*correction*
[tex] \left( \frac{2 \pi}{c} \right){ \sqrt{f (\frac{d h}{d r}) / (\frac{d f}{d r}) } }[/tex]

circumference of the circle with coordinate values r
[tex]2 \pi \sqrt{h} [/tex]

orbital velocity measured by a colocated static observer
[tex]c \sqrt{ \frac{h (\frac{d f}{d r}) }{ f (\frac{d h}{d r})}}[/tex]

The concept of velocity from "remote points of view" is not well-defined in GR, due to the problems of parallel tranpsorting velocities.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/einstein/node2.html

though various ad-hoc approaches are possible.

Note: The factors of c are annoyig to keep tract of - I took the simple approach of making sure the units come out correctly.
 
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Nice. But .. what do you mean by coordinate acceleration of a static observer? Even for circular orbit shouldn't dr/dt and the second derivative both be zero?
 
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Useful. There is a small typo - the equatorial plane is ##\theta=\pi/2##, I think.
 
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PAllen said:
Nice. But .. what do you mean by coordinate acceleration of a static observer? Even for circular orbit shouldn't dr/dt and the second derivative both be zero?

That was wrongly worded - I meant the coordinate acceleration of a geodesic observer who was initially at rest. I'll fix it up, if I can.

And add the missing minus sign...
 
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Mentz114 said:
Useful. There is a small typo - the equatorial plane is ##\theta=\pi/2##, I think.

Fixed - thanks
 
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Some sanity check values, for the Schwarzschild metric:

proper acceleration of a static observer:
[tex]\frac{GM}{r^2 \sqrt{1-2GM/c^2r}}[/tex]

notes: matches wiki

coordinate acceleration of a geodesic observer who was initially at rest
[tex]
\frac{GM}{r^2} \left(1 - \frac{2GM}{c^2 r} \right)[/tex]

coordinate angular velocity [itex]d \phi / dt[/itex]
[tex]\sqrt{\frac{GM}{r^3}}[/tex]

(notes: matches Newtonian)

proper angular velocity [itex]d \phi / d \tau[/itex]
[tex] \sqrt{\frac{GM}{r^2 \left(r - 3GM/c^2\right) }}[/tex]

notes: goes to infinity at photon sphere

orbital period measured by co-located static observer
(correction!)

[tex]2 \pi \sqrt{1-2GM/c^2r)}\sqrt{\frac{r^3}{GM}}[/tex]

notes: time dilated from coordinate period, goes to infinity at the event horizon

orbital velocity measured by co-located static observer
[tex]\sqrt{\frac{GM}{r-2GM/c^2}}[/tex]

matches Wiki
 
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One more correction, for the orbital period of a static observer, the time dilation was done wrongly. (It's fixed)

The results seem to match wiki's http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Circular_orbit&oldid=540533714

for the Schwarzschild metric. It's non-intuitive that [itex]d \phi / dt[/itex] remains finite at the event horizon (this scared me for a bit!) but this seems to match wiki's results.

I should add that circular orbits are impossible below the photon sphere at r=3GM/c^2, so applying it at this altitude is wrong in any event, even if the results don't appear to "blow up".
 
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pervect said:
One more correction, for the orbital period of a static observer, the time dilation was done wrongly. (It's fixed)

The results seem to match wiki's http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Circular_orbit&oldid=540533714

for the Schwarzschild metric. It's non-intuitive that [itex]d \phi / dt[/itex] remains finite at the event horizon (this scared me for a bit!) but this seems to match wiki's results.
I'm not sure that ##d \phi / dt## represents anything physically meaningful. It is an approximation that would break down anywhere near the horizon, like r < 3m. There's no doubt though that ##(d\phi/d\tau)/(dt/d\tau)## gives the Newtonian value.
 
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Another correction, but this one is too late for me to fix. Perhaps someone else can do it.

The geodesic equation currently reads

[tex]
\frac{d^2r}{d \tau^2} + \frac{(\frac{df}{dr})}{ 2g} (\frac{d^2t}{d \tau^2}) + \frac{(\frac{dg}{dr})}{ 2g} (\frac{d^2 r}{d \tau^2}) + \frac{(\frac{dh}{dr})}{ 2g} (\frac{d^2\phi }{d \tau^2}) = 0
[/tex]

it should really read (fixes sign error and some typos)

[tex]
\frac{d^2r}{d \tau^2} + \frac{(\frac{df}{dr})}{ 2g} \left(\frac{dt}{d \tau} \right) ^2 + \frac{(\frac{dg}{dr})}{ 2g} \left(\frac{d r}{d \tau} \right)^2 - \frac{(\frac{dh}{dr})}{ 2g} \left(\frac{d \phi }{d \tau} \right)^2 = 0
[/tex]

Symbolically, this is just the geodesic equation, with the non-zero Christoffel symbols for the given metric written out explicitly. The symbolic version is:

[tex]
\frac{d^2r}{d \tau^2} + \Gamma^r{}_{tt} \left( \frac{dt}{d \tau} \right) ^2 + \Gamma^r{}_{rr} \left( \frac{d r}{d \tau} \right)^2 + \Gamma^r{}_{\phi \phi} \left( \frac{d \phi }{d \tau} \right)^2 = 0
[/tex]

thus
[tex]\Gamma^r{}_{tt} = \frac{(\frac{df}{dr})}{ 2g} \quad \Gamma^r{}_{rr} = \frac{(\frac{dg}{dr})}{ 2g} \quad \Gamma^r{}_{\phi \phi} = - \frac{(\frac{dh}{dr})}{ 2g} [/tex]
 
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Very nice. I could probably rearrange the terms of the second expression of the last post above and get the expression myself, but it would be useful to know the expressions for ##dt/d\tau## for isotropic Schwarzschild and for the low order expansion of isotropic Schwarzschild (the PPN- approximation). The expression for the velocity of light in coordinate time in the PPN-approximation would be interesting to have to. For some reason people seem to "pick and choose", take the velocity of light and the proper time from anisotropic coordinates, but get the orbits from isotropic coordinates, which seems a bit odd to me.
 
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Agerhell said:
Very nice. I could probably rearrange the terms of the second expression of the last post above and get the expression myself, but it would be useful to know the expressions for ##dt/d\tau## for isotropic Schwarzschild and for the low order expansion of isotropic Schwarzschild (the PPN- approximation). The expression for the velocity of light in coordinate time in the PPN-approximation would be interesting to have to. For some reason people seem to "pick and choose", take the velocity of light and the proper time from anisotropic coordinates, but get the orbits from isotropic coordinates, which seems a bit odd to me.

For a circular orbit

*note missing square root in previously posted expression*

[tex]\frac{d \phi}{d \tau} = c \sqrt{\frac{(\frac{d f}{d r}) } { f (\frac{d h}{d r}) - h (\frac{d f}{d r})}}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d t}{d \tau} = c \sqrt{\frac{(\frac{d h}{d r}) } { f (\frac{d h}{d r}) - h (\frac{d f}{d r})}}[/tex]

Utilizing the facts that [itex]\frac{dr}{d \tau} = \frac{d^2r}{d \tau^2} = 0 [/itex] for a circular orbit, this comes from solving the following two equations.

[tex]
(1) \quad -f \left( \frac{d t}{d \tau} \right)^2 + h \left( \frac{d \phi}{d \tau} \right) ^2 = -c^2[/tex]
[tex] (2) \quad \frac{(\frac{df}{dr})}{ 2g} \left(\frac{dt}{d \tau} \right) ^2 - \frac{(\frac{dh}{dr})}{ 2g} \left(\frac{d \phi }{d \tau} \right)^2 = 0[/tex]

If you multiply both sides of eq (1) by [itex]d \tau[/itex]^2, you can see this eq (1) is just the metric equation.

Eq (2) is the geodesic equaton for r, symbolically:

[tex]\Gamma^r{}_{tt} \left( \frac{dt}{d \tau} \right) ^2 +\Gamma^r{}_{\phi \phi} \left( \frac{d \phi }{d \tau} \right)^2 = 0[/tex]

The equation of light can be solved for by simply setting ds^2 = 0 in the metric - rearranging this will give the coordinate velocity .

In the radial direction (dr/dt)^2 = f/g. In the [itex]\phi[/itex] direction, (d[itex]\phi[/itex]/dt)^2 = f/h.
 
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*corrected version*
Consider the equatorial plane of a spherically symmetric space-time. Then we can write the metric in the equatorial plane (theta=pi/2) in terms of three coordinates - [t, r, [itex]\phi[/itex]]

[tex]
ds^2 = -f(r)\, dt^2 + g(r)\, dr^2 + h(r)\, d\phi^2
[/tex]

For the Schwarzschild metric we can write:
[tex]f = c^2(1 -\frac{2 G M}{c^2 r}) \quad g = 1 / (1 -\frac{2 G M}{c^2 r}) \quad h = r^2[/tex]

For the isotropic Schwarzschild metric we can write:
[tex]f = c^2 \left( \frac{1-\frac{GM}{2 c^2 r}}{1+\frac{GM}{2 c^2 r}} \right)^2 \quad g = (1 + \frac{GM}{2 c^2 r})^4 \quad h = r^2 (1 + \frac{GM}{2 c^2 r})^4 [/tex]

For the non-cartesian PPN apprxomiation to isotropic Schwarzschild we can write:
[tex]f = c^2 \left( 1 - \frac{2GM}{c^2 r} + \frac{2 G^2 M^2}{c^4 r^2} \right) \quad g = \left( 1 + \frac{2GM}{c^2 r} \right) \quad h = r^2 \left( 1 + \frac{2GM}{c^2 r} \right)
[/tex]

We will need only one additional equation (other than the metric) to solve for circular orbits - the r component of the geodesic equation:

[tex]
\frac{d^2r}{d \tau^2} + \Gamma^r{}_{tt} \left( \frac{dt}{d \tau} \right) ^2 + \Gamma^r{}_{rr} \left( \frac{d r}{d \tau} \right)^2 + \Gamma^r{}_{\phi \phi} \left( \frac{d \phi }{d \tau} \right)^2 = 0
[/tex]

Computing the values of the Christoffel symbols:
[tex]\Gamma^r{}_{tt} = \frac{(\frac{df}{dr})}{ 2g} \quad \Gamma^r{}_{rr} = \frac{(\frac{dg}{dr})}{ 2g} \quad \Gamma^r{}_{\phi \phi} = - \frac{(\frac{dh}{dr})}{ 2g} [/tex]

we write:

[tex]
\frac{d^2r}{d \tau^2} + \frac{(\frac{df}{dr})}{ 2g} \left(\frac{dt}{d \tau} \right) ^2 + \frac{(\frac{dg}{dr})}{ 2g} \left(\frac{d r}{d \tau} \right)^2 - \frac{(\frac{dh}{dr})}{ 2g} \left(\frac{d \phi }{d \tau} \right)^2 = 0
[/tex]

Note that the first and second derivatives of r with respect to time are zero for a circular orbit. Additionally, [itex]d^2 t / d \tau^2 = d^2 \phi / d \tau^2 = 0[/itex], so [itex]dt/d\tau[/itex] and [itex]d\phi / d\tau[/itex] are constants of motion for a circular orbit.

The metric equation implies that

[tex]-f(r) \, \left( \frac{dt}{d\tau} \right) ^2
+ g(r) \, \left( \frac{dr}{d\tau} \right)^2 + h(r) \, \left( \frac{d \phi}{d\tau} \right)^2 = -c^2
[/tex]

This, combined with the geodesic equation, enables us to solve for all quantities of interest.


Various useful quantities:

The magnitude of the proper acceleration of a static observer (constant coordinates) as measured with an onboard accelerometer

[tex]c^2 \frac{(\frac{d f}{d r})}{2 f \sqrt{g}}[/tex]

The coordinate acceleration (d^2 r / dt^2) of a geodesic observer who starts out at rest, (dr/dt=0,[itex] d\phi/dt=0[/itex]) is

[tex]-\frac{(\frac{d f}{d r})}{2g}[/tex]

The coordinate angular velocity [itex]d \phi / dt[/itex]
[tex]\sqrt{\frac{(\frac{d f}{d r})}{(\frac{d h}{d r})}}[/tex]

The proper angular velocity [itex]d \phi / d \tau[/itex]
[tex]\frac{d \phi}{d \tau} = c \sqrt{\frac{(\frac{d f}{d r}) } { f (\frac{d h}{d r}) - h (\frac{d f}{d r})}}[/tex]

Time dilation for the orbiting observer, [itex]dt / d\tau[/itex]
[tex]\frac{d t}{d \tau} = c \sqrt{\frac{(\frac{d h}{d r}) } { f (\frac{d h}{d r}) - h (\frac{d f}{d r})}}[/tex]

Coordinate and proper orbital periods are just2 pi over the respective angular velocities

The orbital period as measured by a co-located static observer is:
[tex] \left( \frac{2 \pi}{c} \right){ \sqrt{f (\frac{d h}{d r}) / (\frac{d f}{d r}) } }[/tex]

The set of points with coordinate values r=constant is a circle. It's circumference is:

[tex]2 \pi \sqrt{h} [/tex]

The orbital velocity measured by a co-located static observer is:
[tex]c \sqrt{ \frac{h (\frac{d f}{d r}) }{ f (\frac{d h}{d r})}}[/tex]

The concept of velocity from "remote points of view" is not well-defined in GR, due to the problems of parallel tranpsorting velocities.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/einstein/node2.html

though various ad-hoc approaches (mostly based on specific coordinate systems) are possible.

Note: The factors of c are annoyig to keep tract of - I took the simple approach of making sure the units come out correctly.
 

1. What is the significance of circular orbits in symmetric spacetimes?

Circular orbits in symmetric spacetimes are important because they demonstrate the stability and regularity of a system. These orbits do not deviate from their trajectory, making them useful for understanding the behavior of objects in space.

2. How are circular orbits described mathematically in symmetric spacetimes?

Circular orbits can be described using a variety of formulas, but some general ones for symmetric spacetimes include the Schwarzschild metric and the Kerr metric. These describe the curvature of space and time around a central mass or rotating body.

3. Can these general formulae be applied to any symmetric spacetime?

Yes, these formulae can be applied to any symmetric spacetime, as long as the conditions of symmetry are met. This includes spacetimes with spherical, cylindrical, or plane symmetry.

4. How do these formulae differ from those used in non-symmetric spacetimes?

The main difference is that in non-symmetric spacetimes, the curvature of space and time is not constant and can vary depending on the location and direction. This can make the calculations more complex and require additional variables to be considered.

5. What are the practical applications of studying circular orbits in symmetric spacetimes?

The study of circular orbits in symmetric spacetimes has many practical applications, including space exploration, satellite orbits, and understanding the behavior of celestial bodies. These formulae can also be used in the development of new technologies, such as GPS systems and advanced imaging techniques.

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