Angle of projection above an incline?

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving an inclined surface. The original poster is tasked with determining the range of a projectile launched at an angle above an incline and finding the optimal launch angle to maximize this range.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster describes their approach of rotating the coordinate system to align with the incline and calculating components of gravitational acceleration. They express uncertainty regarding the correct application of equations for motion along the incline.
  • Some participants suggest using kinematic equations and emphasize the importance of clear diagrams to aid in solving the problem.
  • Others note challenges in simplifying equations involving trigonometric functions and differentiating to find the optimal angle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various equations and approaches to find the optimal launch angle. Some have arrived at similar expressions for the angle, while others are still working through the implications of their findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of projectile motion on an incline, including the need to differentiate equations and consider constants in their calculations. There is a recognition of the need for clarity in the setup and assumptions involved in the problem.

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Well, right now I'm working on one helluva a problem... Basically, a projectile is given a velocity of V sub "o" (Vo). The launch angle is gamma degrees above an surfaced which is inclined theta degrees above the horizontal. I'm tasked with finding its range along the inclined surface as well as finding the optimal angle gamma to maximize the range.

So far, what I've done is rotate the coordinate system suh that the x-axis is along the inclined surface with the origin of the (x,y)-axis being the intersection of this inclined surface, the ground, and the initial launch point.

This provides for the following components of "G" (which I'm taking to be -9.8m/s^2). Gx = -g*Sin Theta and Gy = -g*Cos Theta. This took a lil goemetry to obtain (had to draw a couple diagrams in order to work it all out).

Then I solved for t = (2Voy/g)Sec theta as well as Vox = VoxCos(gamma + theta). Of coarse, I now see an error, as that Vox would be for (x,y) with respect to the ground, not the incline surface... I'll post where my correction has lead to in a second...
 
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Just apply

s = ut + \frac{1}{2}at^2

perpendicular to the surface and along the surface. Use the fact that perpendicular to the surface s = 0.

Always a clear diagram with angles and directions is usful to quickly solve this kind of problems.
 
OK, well I've never seen that form, but I'm using R(t) = do + Vox*t - .5Axt^2. Looks to me like s = r(t), u = Vox, and of course Do = 0...

Anyways, The problem I'm running into is simplifiing to a deferentiable form, since I'm trying to find the maximum gamma (probably should solve for gamma first, too?). The equation I've worked out seems to be correct, but I have trig functions of both gamma and theta. I'll see if I got AutoCAD laying around, if so I'll make a lil drawing right quick, but let me show you the equation I have...

s = VoCos\gamma [\frac{2VoSin\gamma}{g} * Sec \theta] - \frac{gSin \theta}{2} * [\frac{2VoSin\gamma}{g} * Sec \theta]^2

Which is in the form s = ut + \frac{1}{2}at^2

Like I said, I'm not sure how/if this is differentiable or solvable for gamma... I suppose this equation is the equation for the range of the projectile along the inclined surface, but I would still have to zero out the derivative with respect to gamma in order to find the gamma which provides for max range, correct?

Those "g" vectors (gravity... 9.8m/s^2) came from the formula I used for time, which worked out to be t = \frac{2Voy}{g}*Sec\theta where naturally Voy = VoSin\gamma...
 
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the equation for the range (r(t) or s if you prefere) seems to work out to:
r(t) = \frac{2Vo^2 * Sin\gamma * Cos\gamma}{g*Cos\theta} - \frac{2Vo^2 * Sin^2 \gamma}{gCos\theta}*Tan\theta

hmmmm...
 
Ahhh I'm retared... I think that everything is supposed to be a constant except gamma... Maybe that would make it easier
 
Ahhh well I've came up with
\gamma = \frac{1}{2}ArcCot(Tan \theta)
 
That's what I got too.
 
Excellent, thank you for the assistance :biggrin:

...now on to providing a general proof that for a given speed there are two angles between 0 and 90 degree which have the same range... Yay...
 
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