Feynman diagrams with odd number of vertices.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Feynman diagrams with an odd number of vertices, particularly in the context of quantum electrodynamics (QED) and electron scattering processes. Participants explore the implications of photon emission in these scenarios and whether odd-numbered diagrams exhibit unique characteristics compared to even-numbered ones.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether scattering unpolarized electrons with the emission of one photon leads to destructive interference due to indistinguishable emission from either electron.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the uniqueness of Feynman diagrams with an odd number of vertices, suggesting that interference occurs in various processes regardless of the number of vertices.
  • A third participant mentions Furry's theorem, indicating that diagrams with an odd number of photon vertices attached to an electron loop can be omitted altogether.
  • Further inquiry is made about whether the argument changes for the reaction involving two electrons scattering into two electrons and one photon, particularly regarding the suppression of single photon emission due to interference.
  • One participant challenges the notion of suppression in electron-electron scattering, asking for clarification on the reasoning behind it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of odd-numbered Feynman diagrams, with some asserting that there is no special property while others reference specific theorems and inquire about photon emission suppression. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of odd versus even vertices.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about interference effects and the specific conditions under which Furry's theorem applies. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of these claims.

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If we scatter unpolarized electrons off each other and we calculate the amplitude for electrons to scatter into final states and one photon to be emitted do we get destructive interference because the photon can be emitted by either electron? Is one photon emission suppressed in favor of an even number of photons?

Can we say anything interesting about amplitudes representing Feynman diagrams with odd number of vertices?

Thanks for any help!
 
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I honestly don't think there is anything "special" about Feynman diagram with odd number of vertices in QED, but I could be wrong.
In the case of a process like e^+e^-\to e^+e^-\gamma you always have interference between different diagrams. The idea is that the photon could be emitted both by the positron or by the electron and both before or after the scattering. Since these diagrams produce all the same final state, by quantum mechanics they are indistinguishable processes and therefore they interfere.

However, a similar thing happen to all orders, not necessarily in the case of just one photon or odd numbers of vertices.

From my naive point of view there no big difference, unless some non-trivial reason comes out.
 
Spinnor said:
Can we say anything interesting about amplitudes representing Feynman diagrams with odd number of vertices?
Only when a diagram has odd number of photon vertices attached to a electron loop,in that case you can omit the diagram altogether.It is Furry's theorem.
 
Einj said:
I honestly don't think there is anything "special" about Feynman diagram with odd number of vertices in QED, but I could be wrong.
In the case of a process like e^+e^-\to e^+e^-\gamma you always have interference between different diagrams. The idea is that the photon could be emitted both by the positron or by the electron and both before or after the scattering. Since these diagrams produce all the same final state, by quantum mechanics they are indistinguishable processes and therefore they interfere.

However, a similar thing happen to all orders, not necessarily in the case of just one photon or odd numbers of vertices.

From my naive point of view there no big difference, unless some non-trivial reason comes out.

Does argument change much if the reaction were e- + e- ---> e- + e- + γ?

I'm curious if one photon emitted when electrons scatter is suppressed because if interference?

Thanks for your help!
 
I think the same reasoning can be applied also to electron-electron scattering. Why do you think that it should be suppressed? Do you have any hint on that?
 

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