Understanding Fractional Reduction: Solving Complex Fractions with Ease

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The discussion revolves around solving complex fractions, specifically focusing on the middle steps involved in arriving at the final answers. Participants are exploring methods to simplify these fractions without resorting to extensive polynomial expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the steps to solve three complex fractions, suggesting that expanding them leads to cumbersome polynomials.
  • Another participant hints that the denominator of the solution can be factored as a² + b² and encourages grouping similar terms in the denominators.
  • A participant recalls the identity a² + b² = (a + b)² - 2ab but struggles to see how it applies to the problem at hand.
  • There is a suggestion to factor the denominator of the right-hand side (RHS) and compare it with the left-hand side (LHS) to gain insight.
  • Participants discuss the terms in the denominators, noting similarities and differences, and attempt to clarify the grouping of terms that are the same or differ by a sign.
  • One participant shares their attempt at applying the factorization to the RHS but finds it unhelpful, indicating a lack of understanding of the overall process.
  • Another participant encourages writing out the terms in the denominators separately to clarify the comparison, but confusion persists regarding the results of these expansions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there is ongoing confusion and varying interpretations of the steps involved in solving the fractions. Multiple viewpoints and methods are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of mathematical identities and the process of grouping terms, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the problem structure.

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Hi, this seems like the right section to post, I have a few questions, three fractions that I know the answer for but I just can't figure out how they were arrived at (the middle step).
The only way I can think of solving them is expanding it all out etc. which would result in a 100 term cubic polynomial, so I'm sure there is an easier way to get to the final fraction.
If anyone can help me solve either of these three that would be great.
Please see the pictures for the questions.

P.S the 'j' is 'i', that is the square root of -1.


Thanks
 

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hi toneboy1! :smile:

for the first one, two hints:

i] the denominator of the solution is a2 + b2, which factors as … ?

ii] the first two denominators are almost identical, only some of the terms are multiplied by -1, so group together all the terms that are and all the terms that aren't :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi toneboy1! :smile:

for the first one, two hints:

i] the denominator of the solution is a2 + b2, which factors as … ?

ii] the first two denominators are almost identical, only some of the terms are multiplied by -1, so group together all the terms that are and all the terms that aren't :wink:

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

Err...well I do remember a2+b2=(a+b)2-2ab
and I can see the solution of the first is squared like that but I don't see how it was originally (a+b)2-2ab.

Likewise I can see they're almost identical but I can't see what you mean by grouping the positive and negative ones...
 
hi toneboy1! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)

a2+b2 = a2 - (ib)2 = (a + ib)(a - ib) ? :wink:
 
Well hopefully you've had your coffee now.

Please, treat me like an idiot, I still don't see quite what your getting at.

Thanks
 
try factoring the denominator of the RHS (the a2 + b2 one) …

then compare it with the LHS, and you may see what's going on :wink:
 
Ok, applying '(a + ib)(a - ib)' to the RHS I got: (-w2+4jw-1-4w+j8)(-w2+4jw-1+4w-8j)...which doesn't mean a hell of a lot to me.

But I only included the RHS answer to the question for varifications sake, it shouldn't be really necessary.
 
ok, for the LHS, write out separately the terms in the denominators which are the same for both denominators, and the terms which are minus each other …

what do you get? :smile:
 
You're the boss.
Ok well than you'd get: 16j - 8jw - 8w on the denominator (?)

Thanks
 
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uhh? :confused:

if you expand each denonimator on the LHS, there are 9 terms which are the same apart possibly for a minus sign (5 are the same, 4 are minus)

write out the ones that are the same, and then the ones that are minus :smile:
 
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what I previously posted was what I thought the result was, as the denominators I expanded to be:

[-w2+4w+4jw-8j-1]-[-w2-4w+8j+4jw-1] = 16j - 8jw - 8w ...or was it -8w + 16j...

Thanks
 

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