Migration to Inhospitable Regions

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The discussion explores the reasons behind ancient peoples migrating to and residing in inhospitable regions of Europe, focusing on the challenges posed by cold climates and limited edible plant life. Participants consider various historical contexts, motivations, and survival strategies related to these migrations.

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  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that ancient peoples migrated before the ice age when conditions were more favorable, but later faced difficulties in moving south as conditions worsened.
  • Others propose that "inhospitable" is a relative term, arguing that migration could have been driven by fleeing crop failures, droughts, or hostile neighbors.
  • A participant recalls a warm period around 1000 AD that allowed Norse settlements to flourish in regions now considered inhospitable, noting that climate changes later led to the decline of these settlements.
  • There is a challenge to the notion of regions being devoid of edible plant life, with examples of local resources like blueberries and reindeer in Finnish Lapland provided.
  • Some participants emphasize the need to clarify the specific time periods being discussed, as there have been multiple ice age events and climate variations.
  • One viewpoint suggests that if people managed to live in a region, it must have been hospitable by definition, regardless of external perceptions.
  • Another participant notes that migration can occur by accident, referencing European settlers in North America who underestimated the local climate conditions.
  • Some argue that ancient peoples likely faced similar life decisions as modern individuals, driven by economic factors and personal circumstances.
  • There is a mention of indigenous groups like the Sami and Inuit who have adapted to their environments, though their lifestyles are currently threatened by external pressures.
  • A participant draws parallels between ancient migrations and modern exploration, suggesting a fundamental human drive to seek new experiences and escape undesirable conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the motivations and conditions surrounding ancient migrations to inhospitable regions. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on specific reasons or interpretations of the term "inhospitable."

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the absence of written records from the time, making it difficult to ascertain definitive reasons for migrations. The discussion also highlights the dependence on varying definitions of "inhospitable" and the complexities of historical climate changes.

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Why did ancient peoples migrate to (and stay in) inhospitable regions in Europe? Why live somewhere that is cold and lacking in edible plant life?
 
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darkchild said:
Why did ancient peoples migrate to (and stay in) inhospitable regions in Europe? Why live somewhere that is cold and lacking in edible plant life?
They migrated before the advent of the ice age, when the weather was warmer and the fields were plush and herds of animals abounded. Then the ice age moved in, this much we know, so you might ask, why didn't they move farther south? Some say that by the time they realized it wasn't temporary, they assumed it had become like that everywhere. Moving through the ice and cold was difficult at best, no means of transportation except on foot, hampered by the old, the infirm, young children, pregnant women, they had no idea that anywhere they went was not worse.

Of course that is so simple, so much opinion, it really is something very interesting to investigate. Unfortunately, since there are no written records, we really do not know.
 
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Keep in mind, "inhospitable" is relative. They could have been fleeing crop failure, drought, disease, hostile neighbors, etc. Any number of things could make the risk of migrating seem reasonable.
 
As I recall reading, there was an unusually warm period in the north Atlantic region around 1000 AD and for a few centuries afterwards. It was during this period that Norse settlements developed in Iceland, Greenland and even what are now Newfoundland and maybe Labrador in Canada.

Then the climate worsened, and the colonies in Greenland and North America died out or were assimilated into the native Inuit population.

But still, which areas of Europe are "lacking in edible plant life?" I've picked blueberries in Finnish Lapland. Think of the Sami (Lapps) and their reindeer: the reindeer live on lichens etc. that humans don't normally eat, and the humans eat reindeer meat as part of their diet.

Then there are fish in the rivers and in the seas along the coast.
 
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I guess you need to clarify which time period you are referring to as there have been ice age events (advances and retreats) and mini ice ages.
 
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Whatever region or period it was, since people managed to live there, it must have been hospitable by definition.
 
Sometimes, people moved to less-hospitable areas by accident, too. Lots of Europeans thought that it might be a great idea to move to North America, as long as they stayed at about the same latitude. That didn't always work out too well. They should have consulted with the French fishermen who harvested cod from the Gulf of Maine, dried or salted it, and sent it back as food for their army and navy. The French fishermen certainly knew that the climate in this area was less-than-ideal, though details might have been a matter of national security.
 
darkchild said:
Why did ancient peoples migrate to (and stay in) inhospitable regions in Europe? Why live somewhere that is cold and lacking in edible plant life?

Same reasons people move around today, and same reasons they stay put where they are today.
Ancient peoples had similar life decisions as they do now save for the scope.

Unless you plan on living with your parents all your life, happy with watching TV or playing video games all day, and using their resources to keep you alive, then you will migrate.

The population growth in your own parents home might necessitate you to move out and find your own place, be it next door(if available), across town, or across country.

Economics will dictate that you have some income so your choice of where to migrate will be dictated by your skills and no doubt a factor will be the best place to find a job.

But if you are a curious fellow, you just might some day pack it all up and just choose to go someplace far off to see what's there and hope for the best - ie the infamous after college trek through a far off country to find yourself - some end up staying.

So, you now have a home, a job, and maybe starting a family. You stay put where you are for years on end as who likes moving and upsetting the continuity of things, and risk losing everything acquired for starting over from scratch.

And the generations continue much the same.

Ancient man most likely felt the same way about things.
 
They developed their niche where there was little competition

They were intelligence enough to developed their niche (survive and propagate) where there is little competition

The Lapps, Sami, Nenets, Inuits, Yup'ik continue this lifeway today; however, this lifeway is in jeopardy because of exploitation of their resources and environment by non-indigenous peoples.

Suggested Readings:
Hoffecker, John F.; 2005; A Prehistory of the North, Human Settlement of the Higher Latitudes; Rutgers University Press; New Brunswick, NJ

Kozlowski, Janusz & H.-G. Bandi; 198412; The Paleohistory of Circumpolar Arctic Colonization; ARCTIC, VOL. 37, NO. 4; pp: 358 – 372; Available at http://arctic.synergiesprairies.ca/arctic/index.php/arctic/article/view/2220/2197
 
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It is the same drive that leads men into space and pioneers into the wilderness - to go somewhere different, to spread themselves and to get away from particular ways of life that they may not like (country dwellers who don't like the hustle and bustle of towns and cities for instance), on top of other reasons given here: The challenge and the avoidance of others / other lifestyles / other lifeforms in other words.
 

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