Antimatter-Matter Annihilation (i.e. antiproton w/ positron)

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The discussion centers around the annihilation processes involving antimatter, specifically the interaction between an antiproton and a positron. Participants explore whether differing particles and antiparticles can annihilate each other, the nature of the resulting products, and the conservation laws that govern these interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether an antiproton and a positron can annihilate, suggesting that differing particles may not result in pure energy as with exact counterparts like electrons and positrons.
  • Others propose that while an antiproton and positron are both antimatter, they could form an atom of anti-hydrogen rather than annihilating directly.
  • A participant clarifies that annihilation typically results in other particles, such as photons, rather than "pure energy," emphasizing the role of rest mass in energy conversion.
  • Some argue that if particles and antiparticles are fundamental, there may be no reason for them to annihilate due to symmetry violations, while composite particles might interact differently.
  • It is noted that annihilations of baryons with antibaryons generally produce multiple pions, and mixing electrons with antibaryons does not lead to annihilation due to conservation law violations.
  • Participants discuss specific processes involving neutrons and positrons, questioning whether these interactions would be classified as annihilation and whether they satisfy conservation laws.
  • There is a mention of the rarity of certain annihilation processes, such as between electrons and positive muons, and the potential for experimental verification of these interactions.
  • Questions arise regarding the predictability of branching ratios and half-lives for processes like positron emission and electron capture, with some uncertainty expressed about the deviations in predictions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of annihilation between differing particles and antiparticles, with no consensus reached on whether such annihilation occurs or how it should be classified. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of conservation laws and the outcomes of various interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to conservation laws, the definitions of annihilation, and the conditions under which certain interactions may or may not occur. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties in the field.

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I know that a particle's exact anti-counterpart (i.e. an electron and positron) will annihilate into pure energy. But my question is do differing particles and antiparticles (such as an antiproton and positron) annihilate each other, and if so how much so, because I doubt it too would result in pure energy. I have seen this question pop up a couple times but still have not found any sufficent answer.
 
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Would you expect an electron and a proton to 'annihilate' each other?

An anti-proton and a positron are both antimatter. Just like an electron could be captured by a proton to form a hydrogen atom, a positron could be captured by an anti-proton to form an atom of anti-hydrogen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antihydrogen

Significant production of anti-hydrogen is hampered by the fact that it is easy for this material to interact with matter and annihilate itself before significant quantities can be accumulated.
 
WillietheKid said:
I know that a particle's exact anti-counterpart (i.e. an electron and positron) will annihilate into pure energy.
There is no such thing as "pure energy". Energy is a property that particles have. When a particle and its antiparticle annihilate, they turn into other particles, usually photons. The rest mass of the original particles becomes the energy carried by the photons.
 
1. If the particles+antiparticles are fundamental then No, there's no reason for them to annihilate... it would in general violate some symmetries.
2. If they are not fundamental but composite, then yes, why not? You just need to give them enough energy so that the constituents would see each other... for example take:
neutron+antiproton...
in general there wouldn't be a reason for them to annihilate.
in quark level though, they have same pairs of quark-antiquark:
udd + \bar{u}\bar{u}\bar{d}
 
Neutron+antiproton has to generate at least one charged particle, most likely a (negatively) charged pion, to conserve the total charge.

In general, annihilations of baryons (like neutron and proton) with antibaryons produce multiple pions and not just photons. Mixing things like electrons (matter) with antibaryons won't lead to annihilation, as there is no process that satisfies all conservation laws (here for example: the baryon number).
 
mfb said:
In general, annihilations of baryons (like neutron and proton) with antibaryons produce multiple pions and not just photons. Mixing things like electrons (matter) with antibaryons won't lead to annihilation, as there is no process that satisfies all conservation laws (here for example: the baryon number).

Or maybe it just won´t be annihilation?

Consider the opposite - mixing positrons (antimatter) with baryons.

A process like
n+e+->p+nu~e
satisfies all conservation laws. But would you call it annihilation?

Also, does it mean that electron and positive muon cannot annihilate because it would violate the conservation of electron and muon charges? Or does it? Is the process
e+μ+->nue+nu~μ
possible? And is it annihilation?
 
But would you call it annihilation?
No.

Also, does it mean that electron and positive muon cannot annihilate because it would violate the conservation of electron and muon charges? Or does it? Is the process
e+μ+->nue+nu~μ
possible? And is it annihilation?
It is possible, but extremely unlikely. See this thread for a discussion. Even in a bound state (muonium), the branching fraction is less than 1 in a billion. There is a planned experiment to search for this decay: presentation. The experimental signature would just be vanishing muonium.
 
Effectively, a positive muon like many nuclei of nucleons has a choice between positron emission and electron capture. Correct?

Can the branching ratios and half lives for positron emission and electron capture be predicted?
 
Effectively, a positive muon like many nuclei of nucleons has a choice between positron emission and electron capture. Correct?
It has some similarity, yes.
Can the branching ratios and half lives for positron emission and electron capture be predicted?
See the second link in my previous post. I'm not sure where the deviations between the predictions come from, but they all agree that the "electron capture" process is extremely rare.
 

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