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The discussion revolves around the identification of a gamma-ray burst (GRB) associated with a hypernova at a redshift of z = 6.295, which some participants speculate could be linked to the elusive Population III stars believed to have contributed to the 'first light' in the universe. The conversation touches on the implications of this observation for understanding early cosmic events and star formation, as well as the characteristics of the environment in which these stars may have formed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the GRB at z = 6.295 could represent the first detection of Population III stars, which are theorized to have formed in a primordial environment.
  • Others express caution regarding the interpretation of the observation, suggesting that the mass of 20 solar masses mentioned in the article may not be a definitive measurement.
  • A participant notes that the identification of a metal-enriched environment raises doubts about whether the observed stars can truly be classified as Population III, as these stars are expected to form in metal-poor conditions.
  • There is a suggestion that the observed hypernova might actually be a late Population III star, formed in an already metal-rich environment, complicating the classification.
  • Multiple independent observations and collaborations are referenced, indicating a complex investigation into the nature of the GRB and its implications for cosmic history.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the GRB is definitively linked to Population III stars. There are competing views regarding the implications of the metal-enriched environment and the classification of the observed stars.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the environment in which the GRB occurred and the implications for the classification of the stars involved. The discussion highlights the complexity of interpreting observations from the early universe.

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Is the identification of a GRB with a 'hyper-nova' at z = 6.295 when the universe was 900 Myrs old (standard model) the first detection of the long awaited Population III stars that caused the 'first light'?Ancient blast comes to light

That article speaks of a mass of 20MSolar, but I don't know whether that is a determined or 'guessitmated' value.

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Garth said:
Is the identification of a GRB with a 'hyper-nova' at z = 6.295 when the universe was 900 Myrs old (standard model) the first detection of the long awaited Population III stars that caused the 'first light'?Ancient blast comes to light

That article speaks of a mass of 20MSolar, but I don't know whether that is a determined or 'guessitmated' value.

Garth
An observation that should be viewed with utmost caustion, until some
confirmation is forthcomming.
 
as should any observation at z=6.295!
 
Cusumano, G. et al. Nature 440, 164 (2006).
Kawai, N. et al. Nature 440, 184–186 (2006).
Letter
Nature 440, 184-186 (9 March 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature04498

An optical spectrum of the afterglow of a -ray burst at a redshift of z = 6.295
N. Kawai1, G. Kosugi2, K. Aoki3, T. Yamada2, T. Totani4, K. Ohta4, M. Iye2, T. Hattori3, W. Aoki2, H. Furusawa3, K. Hurley5, K. S. Kawabata6, N. Kobayashi7, Y. Komiyama3, Y. Mizumoto2, K. Nomoto8, J. Noumaru3, R. Ogasawara2, R. Sato1, K. Sekiguchi3, Y. Shirasaki2, M. Suzuki9, T. Takata2, T. Tamagawa9, H. Terada3, J. Watanabe2, Y. Yatsu1 and A. Yoshida10

The prompt -ray emission from \gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) should be detectable out to distances of z > 10 (ref. 1), and should therefore provide an excellent probe of the evolution of cosmic star formation, reionization of the intergalactic medium, and the metal enrichment history of the Universe1, 2, 3, 4. Hitherto, the highest measured redshift for a GRB has been z = 4.50 (ref. 5). Here we report the optical spectrum of the afterglow of GRB 050904 obtained 3.4 days after the burst; the spectrum shows a clear continuum at the long-wavelength end of the spectrum with a sharp cut-off at around 9,000 Å due to Lyman absorption at z 6.3 (with a damping wing). A system of absorption lines of heavy elements at z = 6.295 0.002 was also detected, yielding the precise measurement of the redshift. The Si ii fine-structure lines suggest a dense, metal-enriched environment around the progenitor of the GRB.

Haislip, J. B. et al. Nature 440, 181–183 (2006).
Letter
Nature 440, 181-183 (9 March 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature04552

A photometric redshift of z = 6.39 0.12 for GRB 050904
J. B. Haislip1, M. C. Nysewander1, D. E. Reichart1, A. Levan2, N. Tanvir2, S. B. Cenko3, D. B. Fox4, P. A. Price5, A. J. Castro-Tirado6, J. Gorosabel6, C. R. Evans1, E. Figueredo7,8, C. L. MacLeod1, J. R. Kirschbrown1, M. Jelinek6, S. Guziy6, A. de Ugarte Postigo6, E. S. Cypriano8,9, A. LaCluyze1, J. Graham10, R. Priddey2, R. Chapman2, J. Rhoads11, A. S. Fruchter11, D. Q. Lamb12, C. Kouveliotou13, R. A. M. J. Wijers14, M. B. Bayliss1,12, B. P. Schmidt15, A. M. Soderberg3, S. R. Kulkarni3, F. A. Harrison16, D. S. Moon3, A. Gal-Yam3, M. M. Kasliwal3, R. Hudec17, S. Vitek18, P. Kubanek19, J. A. Crain1, A. C. Foster1, J. C. Clemens1, J. W. Bartelme1, R. Canterna20, D. H. Hartmann21, A. A. Henden22, S. Klose23, H.-S. Park24, G. G. Williams25, E. Rol26, P. O'Brien26, D. Bersier27, F. Prada6, S. Pizarro8, D. Maturana8, P. Ugarte8, A. Alvarez8, A. J. M. Fernandez6, M. J. Jarvis28, M. Moles6, E. Alfaro6, K. M. Ivarsen1, N. D. Kumar1, C. E. Mack1, C. M. Zdarowicz1, N. Gehrels29, S. Barthelmy29 and D. N. Burrows4

Gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) and their afterglows are the most brilliant transient events in the Universe. Both the bursts themselves and their afterglows have been predicted to be visible out to redshifts of z ~ 20, and therefore to be powerful probes of the early Universe1, 2. The burst GRB 000131, at z = 4.50, was hitherto the most distant such event identified3. Here we report the discovery of the bright near-infrared afterglow of GRB 050904 (ref. 4). From our measurements of the near-infrared afterglow, and our failure to detect the optical afterglow, we determine the photometric redshift of the burst to be (refs 5–7). Subsequently, it was measured8 spectroscopically to be z = 6.29 +/- 0.01, in agreement with our photometric estimate. These results demonstrate that GRBs can be used to trace the star formation, metallicity, and reionization histories of the early Universe.

Hmm. Quite a lot of collaboration and three independent observations.

Garth
 
The metal enriched environment thing makes me doubt the examples given are pop III stars. A cart before the horse thing.
 
Chronos said:
The metal enriched environment thing makes me doubt the examples given are pop III stars. A cart before the horse thing.
Well, z = 6.295 would be a late PopIII star, formed in an already metal rich environment, even then metals would have been produced by the star itself during its own lifetime.

The suggestion, put as a question, that this early super/hyper-nova should be identified with a PopIII star is actually mine, made in the title of this thread.

Garth
 
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