Perpendicular Force = No Speed Change

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The discussion revolves around the effects of a perpendicular force on an object's velocity, specifically addressing why such a force alters the direction of velocity without changing its magnitude. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics and kinematics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore intuitive and mathematical explanations for the phenomenon, questioning the relationship between force, velocity, and kinetic energy. Some seek a deeper mathematical understanding beyond intuitive reasoning.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, including intuitive explanations and mathematical derivations. Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between force and work, while others have raised questions about the implications of perpendicular forces on velocity.

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Participants are discussing the implications of forces that do not have components in the direction of motion, as well as the definitions of speed and kinetic energy in relation to these forces.

Swapnil
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Suppose an object is moving at some veocity v. Why is it that if you apply a force in the direction perpendicular to the direction of velocity, you only change the direction of the velocity and not its magnitude.

I am having a feeling that I am going to get one of those "that's just the way it is" answers to this question...:rolleyes:
 
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If you pull on something such that the direction of pull is in the same direction that it is moving, then you'd expect the object to go faster, right?

And if you pull on something in the opposite direction, then the object would slow down.

If you pull on something so that there is a componant of your force along the direction of motion, and another componant perpendiculat to the direction of motion, then the object would speed up slightly, and also change direction slightly (as it accelerated in the direction of the perpendicular componant).

If your pull has a componant that is opposite motion, plus a componant that is perpendicular to motion, then it would slow down slightly, and also chage direction.

SO, if there is no componant either in the direction of motion, nor opposite, then the object won't speed up or slow down. In the case of circular motion, every moment the direction of force changes slightly so that the force is always perpendicular to the moment of motion.
 
You have given me an intuitive answer; I already know why it makes sense intuitively. But the is there is a more mathematical answer to my question?
 
"speed" is the length of the velocity vector s= \sqrt{\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}}. Differentiating with respect to time,
\frac{ds}{dt}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}}}\vec{v}\cdot\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt}
by the product rule.
Of course, \frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} is the acceleration. If the force is perpendicular to \vec{v}, then so is the acceleration (acceleration= Force/mass) so that product \vec{v}\cdot\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} is 0. Then entire derivative then is 0: \frac{ds}{dt}= 0.

A somewhat more physical explanation is that if there is no component of force in the direction of motion, then there is no work done so the kinetic energy cannot change.
 
Remember that kinetic energy is a scalar, rather than a vector. Thus, forces that only change the object's velocity, but not its speed, cannot influence the object's kinetic energy.
 
HallsofIvy said:
"speed" is the length of the velocity vector s= \sqrt{\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}}. Differentiating with respect to time,
\frac{ds}{dt}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{\vec{v}\cdot\vec{v}}}\vec{v}\cdot\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt}
by the product rule.
Of course, \frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} is the acceleration. If the force is perpendicular to \vec{v}, then so is the acceleration (acceleration= Force/mass) so that product \vec{v}\cdot\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} is 0. Then entire derivative then is 0: \frac{ds}{dt}= 0.

What about the fact that the force perpendicular to the direction of the velocity changes the direction of the velocity?
 
Swapnil said:
What about the fact that the force perpendicular to the direction of the velocity changes the direction of the velocity?
In general, acceleration (d\vec{v}/dt) involves changes in both speed and direction. But as Hall's showed, when the acceleration is perpendicular to velocity the change in speed is zero. All that's left is a change in direction.
 

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