Energy raising/lowering operators, algebra

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The discussion revolves around the algebra of raising and lowering operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the Hamiltonian operator \(\hat{H}\) and its relation to position \(\hat{x}\) and momentum \(\hat{p}\) operators. The original poster attempts to demonstrate a specific form of the Hamiltonian using the given operators and their commutation relations.

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  • Participants explore the manipulation of operator expressions and question the correctness of the original poster's algebraic steps. There is a focus on the relationship between the operators and the implications of the commutation relation.

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Some participants provide hints and guidance on how to approach the algebraic manipulation needed to achieve the desired form of the Hamiltonian. The original poster acknowledges an error in their reasoning, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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There is mention of potential confusion arising from the factorization of terms and the manipulation of operator expressions, highlighting the complexity of the algebra involved in quantum mechanics.

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\hat{x} = \left(\frac{\hbar}{2wm}\right)^{1/2}(\hat{a} + \hat{a}^{+})

\hat{p} = -i\left(\frac{\hbar wm}{2}\right)^{1/2}(\hat{a} - \hat{a}^{+})

I'm trying to demonstrate that

\hat{H} = (\hat{a}^{+}\hat{a} + \frac{1}{2})\hbar w

where \hat{H} = \frac{1}{2m} \hat{p}^{2} + \frac{mw^{2}}{2} \hat{x}^{2}

Given the commutation relation:

[\hat{a},\hat{a}^{+}]=1

However I seem to have too many twos! Here's my attempt:

\hat{H} = \left[\frac{1}{2m} \frac{\hbar wm}{2} (-\hat{a}^{2} + \hat{a}\hat{a}^{+} + \hat{a}^{+}\hat{a} - \hat{a}^{+2})\right] + \left[\frac{mw^{2}}{2} \frac{\hbar}{2wm} (\hat{a}^{2} + \hat{a}\hat{a}^{+} + \hat{a}^{+}\hat{a} + \hat{a}^{+2})\right]

\hat{H} = \frac{\hbar w}{4} (1 + 2\hat{a}^{+}\hat{a})

Can anyone point out where I've gone wrong? Many thanks!
 
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\hat{H} = \left[\frac{1}{2m} \frac{\hbar wm}{2} (-\hat{a}^{2} + \hat{a}\hat{a}^{+} + \hat{a}^{+}\hat{a} - \hat{a}^{+2})\right] + \left[\frac{mw^{2}}{2} \frac{\hbar}{2wm} (\hat{a}^{2} + \hat{a}\hat{a}^{+} + \hat{a}^{+}\hat{a} + \hat{a}^{+2})\right]

is not \hat{H} = \frac{\hbar w}{4} (1 + 2\hat{a}^{+}\hat{a})

but:
\frac{\hbar \omega}{2}(aa^+ + a^+a)

you know that aa^+ - a^+a = 1, how can you manipulate aa^+ + a^+a to become what you are looking for? (\hat{H} = (\hat{a}^{+}\hat{a} + \frac{1}{2})\hbar w
)

HINT: Try adding and substract the same entity, 3 = 3 +1 -1
 
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Ha, my own stupid fault. I'd only taken one lot of aa^{+} + a^{+}a from the factorising! Thanks malawi! Been a long day hehe
 
raintrek said:
Ha, my own stupid fault. I'd only taken one lot of aa^{+} + a^{+}a from the factorising! Thanks malawi! Been a long day hehe

I've been there myself 1000times ;) Good luck!
 

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