Difference between Mixed State and Superposition

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The discussion revolves around the differences between mixed states and superpositions in quantum mechanics. Participants explore theoretical distinctions, mathematical representations, and contextual applications of these concepts.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Some participants suggest that there is no real technical difference between mixed states and superpositions, proposing that the terminology may depend on the context of discussion.
  • Others clarify that a superposition typically refers to a pure state, while a mixed state is associated with classical probabilities, using examples such as photon polarization to illustrate their points.
  • A participant notes that a superposition can be expressed as a linear combination of state vectors, while a mixed state is represented by a linear combination of density operators, highlighting the mathematical distinctions.
  • It is mentioned that a mixed state can be derived from a pure state by considering a larger system, and that the density operator for a mixed state reflects a lack of knowledge about the definite state of the system.
  • Questions arise about how to express mixed states using vectors, with one participant providing a formula involving density matrices and probabilities.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between mixed states and superpositions, with no consensus reached on a definitive distinction. Some agree on the mathematical representations but interpret their physical implications differently.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying interpretations of terms like "pure state" and "mixed state," as well as the dependence on specific mathematical frameworks and definitions. The discussion also highlights the complexity of quantum states and their representations.

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What is the difference between a mixed state and a superposition?
 
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From my modest experience, there is no real technical difference. Perhaps when you're talking about the net effects / measurables etc - you refer to it as a superposition; while you're talking about the constituent states etc - you refer to it as a mixed state?
 
If I understand you correctly, by superposition, you mean a pure state (which is the opposite of mixed). A mixed state is sometimes also called a classical superposition.

For example, consider a photon which could be either right-handed or left-handed (equiv. circularly polarized in either clockwise or anticlockwise direction).

A superposition of these states would give you a photon with maybe a 50/50 chance of either polarization being measured, and would be linearly polarized, so it would pass through a polarizing filter at the correct orientation with high probability.

A mixed state might also have 50/50 chance of being either left or right handed, but this is a classical probability, so it is definitely in one state or the other, and would consequently have about a 50/50 chance of passing through a polarizer of any orientation.

Alternatively, with the double slit experiment, you need a superposition of the states of passing through each slit to get the standard interference pattern. If you measure which slit the electron goes through, but ignore the result, then you still have a 50/50 chance of going through either slit. However, this will be a classical probability not a quantum superposition, so it is a mixed state and you won't see the interference pattern.

You can get a mixed state from a pure one simply by looking at a part of a larger system. For the double slit experiment above, if you include the state of the measuring equipment and anything it has interacted with, it will still be in a pure state.
 
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I understand them to basically be the same in structure, but the difference is the context in which they are used. I always see the term mixed state associated with the idea of a linear combination of projectors where as a superposition is a term that is used for any linear combination in ANY Hilbert space.

As an example, let \psi_1, \psi_2 be elements in a Hilbert space.
\psi=\lambda_1\psi_1+\lambda_2\psi_2 is a superposition of two vectors but is generally still regarded as a pure state. Technically the density operator
|\psi\rangle\langle\psi| is a pure state.
Where as the density operator
\lambda_1|\psi_1\rangle\langle\psi_1|+\lambda_2|\psi_2\rangle\langle\psi_2|
is a mixed state.
 
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\psi=\lambda_1\psi_1+\lambda_2\psi_2 is a superposition of two vectors but is generally still regarded as a pure state. Technically the density operator
|\psi\rangle\langle\psi| is a pure state.
Where as the density operator
\lambda_1|\psi_1\rangle\langle\psi_1|+\lambda_2|\psi_2\rangle\langle\psi_2|
is a mixed state.

Those expressions agree with what I was saying. Taking linear combinations of state vectors is quantum superposition, but taking combinations of density operators is the same of classical superposition.

Also, if the two vectors are normalized, you must have |\lambda_1|^2+|\lambda_2|^2=1 in the first expression, but \lambda_1+\lambda_2=1, and \lambda_1,\lambda_2\ge 0 in the second one.

In the second case, there is no way to distinguish between that state and the case where it is either in the definite state \psi_1 or in state \psi_2, and where you just don't know which one due to lack of knowledge. So, no quantum interference between the states occurs.
Mathematically, they are both just different types of linear combinations, but they have a very different meaning physically.
 
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How do you express a mixed state using vectors?
 
Dragonfall said:
How do you express a mixed state using vectors?

In general a mixed state (or statistical mixture) writes with the density matrix as follows :
\hat{\rho}=\sum_{\alpha} p_{\alpha} \left| \psi_p \rangle \langle \psi_p \right|
Where p_{\alpha} is the probability for the system to be in the state \left| \psi_{\alpha} \rangle (that is not necessarily an eigen state). These p_{\alpha} can be derived from expermimental data or by a priori assumptions.

The only cases for which a mixed state is equivalent to a superposition is when there exist a state \left|\psi_{\alpha_0} \rangle whose p_{\alpha_0} =1 (therefore we have p_{\alpha} =0 for \alpha \: \neq \: \alpha_0 ).

In this case you get a pure state and the density matrix writes :

\hat{\rho} = \left| \psi_{\alpha_0} \rangle \langle \psi_{\alpha_0} \right|

EDIT : To answer straight forwardly to the question asked, you can't express a mixed state using only the ket notation.
 

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