What Is the Minimum Volume of Ice Needed to Support a Person on a Lake?

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The problem involves determining the minimum volume of ice required to support a person weighing 73.4 kg on a freshwater lake without submerging their feet. The discussion references Archimedes' Principle and the densities of ice and freshwater.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the volume of water displaced by the person's weight and subsequently the volume of ice needed to support that displacement. Some participants question the assumptions made about buoyancy and the relationship between the volume of ice and the volume of water displaced.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the calculations related to buoyancy and the relationship between the volume of ice and the volume of water displaced. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's attempts, and some guidance is provided regarding the relationship between the volumes involved. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final volume required.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the principles of buoyancy and the implications of the densities of ice and water in their calculations. There is an indication that the original poster may have missed some foundational concepts due to missed lectures.

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Homework Statement


A slab of ice floats on a freshwater lake. What minimum volume must the slab have for a 73.4 kg person to be able to stand on it without getting his or her feet wet?

(use 920kg/m^3 as density of ice and 1000 kg/m^3 for the density of freshwater)

Homework Equations


Archimedes Principle:
Fg = Fb
mg = pVg

The Attempt at a Solution


So my problem was I was really sick and I missed my couple first lectures on this topic. I've learned what I can from my textbook... but i think I'm missing a step or something in this problem.

This is what I figured I should do:
Since the buoyant force is equal to amount of liquid displaced, i plugged in the mass of the person and density of freshwater into Archimedes equation to solve for volume of water displaced.
Vwater displaced = (73.4 kg) / (1000 kgm-3)
Vwater displaced = 0.0734m3

Than from here, I really haven't worked with this subject for long enough to understand what i can and cannot do. My next attempt would be to solve for the volume of ice by doing:
pwaterVwater displaced = piceVice
Vice = pwaterVwater displaced / pice
Vice = (1000kgm-3)(0.0734m3) / (920kgm-3)
Vice = 0.0798 m3

Is this the correct answer? if not what should i have done?
 
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You've just worked out what volume 73.4 kilos of ice would be. So you know when the man steps on the ice and the ice sinks into the water due to his weight, it must displace0.0734m3 of water to support his weight without him getting his feet wet. So what you need to do is find what volume of ice has a volume of 0.0734m3 sticking out of the water when its floating there without the man.
 
Kurdt said:
You've just worked out what volume 73.4 kilos of ice would be. So you know when the man steps on the ice and the ice sinks into the water due to his weight, it must displace0.0734m3 of water to support his weight without him getting his feet wet. So what you need to do is find what volume of ice has a volume of 0.0734m3 sticking out of the water when its floating there without the man.

Alright... well I think I'm correct in saying something floats when its weight is equal to the weight of the displaced fluid (in this case fresh water). So I've figured out that the volume of ice floating above the water is 0.0734m3, than the total volume of the block of ice can equal 0.0734m3+ x, where x is the volume of the ice under water, and therefor also the volume of water displaced with just the ice floating.

So with just the floating ice:

piceVice = pwaterVwater
(920 kgm3)(0.0734m3 + x) = (1000 kgm3)x
(0.0734)(920)+(0.0734)(x) = 1000x
67.528 = 1000x - 920x
67.528 = x (1000-920)
x = 0.8441m3 --> volume of ice under water

Plug this value back into the Volume of ice, which was 0.0734m3 + x, therefore the total Volume of ice for a 73.4 kg man to stand on without getting his feet wet would be 0.9175m3 ?
 
Very good! :smile:
 
Kurdt said:
Very good! :smile:

Killer, thanks.
 

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