Floating on Ice: Calculating Volume Needed to Stay Afloat

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum volume of ice required to keep a person afloat, given the person's mass and the density of ice. The problem involves concepts from buoyancy and Archimedes' principle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the system, questioning whether to include the weight of the ice along with the person in the calculations. There are discussions about the appropriate density to use for buoyant force and the volume that should be considered for displacement.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the application of Archimedes' principle and the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculations, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through assumptions about the system's setup, including the roles of the ice and the person in the buoyancy calculations. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the person remains above water, which influences the discussion on the necessary volume of ice.

  • #31
m x g= pice x Vice x g
 
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  • #32
Going back to your basic equation F(g) = F(a), the left side is the total force of gravity (acting down) and the right side is the buoyant force (acting upward). Now write out each side. You should find that your unknown Vice occurs on both sides of the equation.

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  • #33
I've been doing the way you told me But i still don't get the right answerAnd thank you for informing about subscripts :)
 
  • #34
In the equation F(g) = F(a), what did you write for F(g)? That is, how did you express the total force of gravity on the system?
 
  • #35
F= 60.0 kg x 9.81 m/s2 =588.6
 
  • #36
That's the force of gravity on the person alone. How would you express the total force of gravity on the system? The system consists of the man and the ice.
 
  • #37
917 kg +60.0 kg x 9.81 perhaps
 
  • #38
The total force of gravity is equal to the weight of the person plus the weight of the ice. Post #35 has the weight of the person. Post #31 has the weight of ice. Adding these together gives you the left side of F(g) = F(a). The right side of the equation is the buoyant force given in post #20.
 

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