The Principles of Relativity - Help Kindly Requested

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The discussion revolves around a derivation from Einstein's work, specifically focusing on the transition between two lines of mathematical expressions involving partial derivatives. Participants are seeking clarification on the steps involved in this derivation, particularly regarding the function τ and its parameters.

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  • One participant questions how to derive the second line from the first, indicating confusion over the use of partial differentiation and the function τ.
  • Another participant confirms that the derivatives in question are indeed partial derivatives and provides a formula for approximating τ.
  • A participant reflects on their initial misunderstanding of applying the approximation to the entire left-hand side of the equation, noting that they eventually realized to apply it only to the second argument.
  • Some participants express curiosity about Einstein's lack of explanatory text in his derivation, suggesting that a brief explanation could aid understanding.
  • One participant mentions a previous answer they provided on a related topic, indicating a continuity of discussion on this mathematical concept.
  • A suggestion is made regarding how to use LaTeX for posting equations, aimed at helping the original poster with formatting their mathematical expressions.

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Participants generally agree on the nature of the derivatives being discussed, but there is no consensus on the clarity of Einstein's original derivation or the adequacy of his explanations.

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There is an indication of missing assumptions regarding the function τ and its parameters, as well as the specific context of the derivation in Einstein's work. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical notation and concepts among participants.

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Hello,

I'm new to these forums so I hope this first post is ok.

I'm currently reading & (slowly) working my way through the book "The Essential Einstein - His Greatest works" published by Penguin books but I'm stuck on a derivation on page 11 !

I've attached the derivation as a jpg image to this post (I currently don't know how to work latex as yet) and it's just two lines of mathematics.

My question is, how does he get from the first line to the second ?

It looks to me as thought it's partial differentiation as there are partial derivatives on the second line but when I try doing so it just doesn't work out right. Am I right in thinking it's partial derivatives ? Also he quotes a function, Tau but does not define the function only its parameters so that confuses me slightly as to how he differentiates this and ends up with constants.

Your help is appreciated

Bongos
 

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Yes, these are partial derivatives.
[tex]\tau[/tex] is the time as measured by the moving observer. Generally, it is a function of t,x,y,z.
You know that for any function
[tex]\tau(x,t+dt) \simeq \tau(x,t) + \frac{\partial \tau}{\partial t}dt[/tex]?
Do these steps, subtract [tex]\tau(0,0,0,t)[/tex] and divide by x'.
 
Ich said:
Yes, these are partial derivatives.
[tex]\tau[/tex] is the time as measured by the moving observer. Generally, it is a function of t,x,y,z.
You know that for any function
[tex]\tau(x,t+dt) \simeq \tau(x,t) + \frac{\partial \tau}{\partial t}dt[/tex]?
Do these steps, subtract [tex]\tau(0,0,0,t)[/tex] and divide by x'.

Thanks Ich,

It took a bit of working out. I originally started applying the approximation you gave to the WHOLE of the LHS of the first line, but I ended up with a half of Tau in the result. I then realized I just apply it the the second argument of the LHS and again on the right (after a bit of re-arranging) and the Tau function drops out.

Thanks for that !
 
DrGreg said:
As luck would have it, I answered this very question 4 years ago in post #6 of the thread Understanding Einstein's Math.

Thanks DrGreg.

I remember actually working this out before but second time round I completely forgot ! The PDF is useful as well as I needed a hint to understand the next line in einstein's paper.

I wonder why Einstein never put a few words into explain how he got from one equation to the next, even if he put 'an approximation' it might give people a hint at how he arrived at the second line.
 
Bongos said:
I wonder why Einstein never put a few words into explain how he got from one equation to the next, even if he put 'an approximation' it might give people a hint at how he arrived at the second line.

Well, he could have added a few words of explanation, but I guess he just assumed his readers would follow the step. Experienced mathematicians (and physicists) can become so familiar with applying the chain rule in situations like this, they can do it in their heads and assume the reader can, too. Bear in mind he was (I believe) writing a technical paper aimed at the physicists and mathematicians of the time, not the general public.
 
Bongos said:
I've attached the derivation as a jpg image to this post (I currently don't know how to work latex as yet) and it's just two lines of mathematics.


[tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex]

Left click on the above equation and a small window pops up showing the latex code that was used to generate it. Enter the code exactly as shown including the red text in square brackets. You can also left click on the equation posted by Ich to see how the symbols he used are generated. That should be enough to get you started.
 

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