Moment of Inertia and Angular Momentum

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The problem involves a thin meter stick falling from a vertical position on a frictionless table, with the goal of finding the speed of its center of mass just before it hits the table. The context is rooted in concepts of moment of inertia and angular momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the moment of inertia of the stick, noting that it rotates about one end rather than its center. There are attempts to apply the parallel axis theorem and relate gravitational potential energy to rotational kinetic energy. Some participants express a desire for step-by-step guidance on the solution process.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations being discussed. Some participants have provided insights into the correct application of the moment of inertia and the parallel axis theorem, while others are questioning their understanding of these concepts. No explicit consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of rotational dynamics, particularly the implications of the stick's pivot point on calculations. There is mention of a discrepancy between provided answers and individual calculations, indicating potential misunderstandings or misapplications of formulas.

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Homework Statement


This was a TMSCA (Texas Math and Science Competition) from the physics section.

A thin meter stick of mass 200g is positioned vertically on a frictionless table. It is released, slips, and falls. Find the speed of its center of mass just before it hits the table.

Homework Equations


To the right of this question there is the equation for the Moment of Inertia of the stick
I=(1/12)mL^2

The Attempt at a Solution



Answer seems to be 2.71 according to the Key
Answer that I got was 3.13 m/s
 
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The stick is rotating about one end, not its center, so use the parallel axis theorem to get the moment of inertia about one end. That should give you the correct answer.
 
Could you show me step by step how to do it
 
Kommandant said:
Could you show me step by step how to do it

Post what you did. I am guessing your problem other than the moment of inertia?
 
I found the gravitational potential energy at the center of the meter stick (.5 meters)

PEg= (.2)(9.81).5) = .981

Then I made .981 equal to the Kinetic Energy of an object in rotation

.981= (1/2)Iw^2

Where I is Moment of Inertia and w is angular velocity
I=MR^2
1.962=(.2)(.5^2)w^2
w= 6.2641

Then V= WR
V= 6.2641 * (1/2)
V=3.13 m/s
 
Kommandant said:
I found the gravitational potential energy at the center of the meter stick (.5 meters)

PEg= (.2)(9.81).5) = .981

Then I made .981 equal to the Kinetic Energy of an object in rotation

.981= (1/2)Iw^2

Where I is Moment of Inertia and w is angular velocity
I=MR^2
1.962=(.2)(.5^2)w^2
w= 6.2641

Then V= WR
V= 6.2641 * (1/2)
V=3.13 m/s


your error is there, for a rod, I=(1/12)ML2 about its center. But it is not rotating about its center, it is rotating about its end. Thus you need to use the parallel axis theorem. Do you know the parallel axis theorem?

I=Ic+mr2
 

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