Two Atom Experiments: Communication Between Two Atoms

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The discussion revolves around the concept of experiments involving just two single atoms, particularly focusing on their communication through absorption and emission processes. Participants also explore thought experiments related to the implications of such interactions in various contexts, including gravitational effects and quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about existing experiments that involve communication between two single atoms, drawing a parallel to the individual counting of single photons.
  • Another participant suggests the use of a Penning trap as a method to isolate single atoms or ions, although they note that no evidence exists for "linear communication" between two single atoms.
  • A thought experiment is proposed involving a man in a free-falling elevator holding two boxes, each containing a single Helium-4 atom, questioning the influence of free fall on atomic decay rates and the role of observers.
  • One participant challenges the thought experiment by stating that Helium-4 and Helium-3 do not have a probability for decay, indicating a misunderstanding of the proposed scenario.
  • Another participant introduces a complex discussion about the transformation of wavefunctions in the context of quantum mechanics and the nature of measurements, suggesting a need for a deeper understanding of the observable state in relation to space and dark matter.
  • A reference to a new paper is shared, indicating ongoing research in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of experiments involving two single atoms and the implications of the proposed thought experiment. There is no consensus on the nature of atomic decay in the context of free fall or the validity of the thought experiment itself.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific assumptions about atomic behavior and the nature of quantum measurements, which remain unresolved in the discussion. The implications of gravitational effects on atomic decay are also not fully explored.

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Are there any experiments that have just two (single) atoms?

I know that single photons can be counted individually, can the same be said of Atoms?

I am about to place a thought experiment on the relativity boards, which will deal with a Man, two atoms, and a lift in freefall.

I would like to know if there are any experiments that deal with just two atoms and their comunication, ie absorption and emissions between just Two Atoms.
 
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Try a Penning trap

Olias said:
Are there any experiments that have just two (single) atoms?

I know that single photons can be counted individually, can the same be said of Atoms?

AFAIK The use of a device called a Penning Trap? has been used to isolate and levitate a single electron and that suggests that an ion rather than an atom may be capable of isolation. Cheers, Jim
 
NEOclassic said:
AFAIK The use of a device called a Penning Trap? has been used to isolate and levitate a single electron and that suggests that an ion rather than an atom may be capable of isolation. Cheers, Jim

Thanks Jim. I had been proposing a Penning Trap as part of my thought experiment, but all the data I have shows no such formation of "linear-comunication" between two single atoms?

I am going to put the thought up for some feedback.
 
Olias said:
Are there any experiments that have just two (single) atoms?

I know that single photons can be counted individually, can the same be said of Atoms?

I am about to place a thought experiment on the relativity boards, which will deal with a Man, two atoms, and a lift in freefall.

I would like to know if there are any experiments that deal with just two atoms and their comunication, ie absorption and emissions between just Two Atoms.

Ok we have a experiment wherby a Man is in an elevator that is about to freefall. He has two boxes in each of his outstretched hands, each box has a single Helium 4 particle within.

The lift falls away.

If the falling observer opens any of the boxes, what are the chances of the Helium 4 still being there?..will the rate of decay be influenced by the Freefall, or by the observer?

Is there a Gravitational wavefunction, or is there an Observational wavefunction?..that initiates the half-life of "particle/atomic" decays.
 
Hi Olias,
I'm a bit lost on your "thought experiment"; mostly because neither Helium-4 nor Helium-3 has an iota of probability for decay. Cheers, Jim
 
How does the wavefunction of the Universe of Space, dissapear, or transform from a 3-D spacetime to the Electro-Magnetic-Vacuum (VIRTUAL), of 2-D space between Galaxies?

Has the transformation of wavefunction (observable state-vectors) of Dark Matter been mis-diagnosed?..should we not be using Quantum Mechanics for the explanation of all of Space Vacuum?

Physically meaningful observables must also satisfy transformation laws which relate observations performed by different observers in different frames of reference. These transformation laws are automorphisms of the state space, that is bijective transformations which preserve some mathematical property. In the case of quantum mechanics, the requisite automorphisms are unitary (or anti-unitary) linear transformations of the Hilbert space V. Under Galilean relativity or Special relativity, the mathematics of frames of reference is particularly simple, and in fact restricts considerably the set of physically meaningful observables.

The facts of the matter, however, are far more prosaic. Specifically, if a system is in a state described by a wave function, the measurement process affects the state in a non-deterministic, but statistically predictable way. In particular, after a measurement is applied, the state description by a single wave function may be destroyed, being replaced by a statistical ensemble of wave functions. The irreversible nature of measurement operations in quantum physics is sometimes referred to as the measurement problem and is described mathematically by quantum operations. By the structure of quantum operations, this description is mathematically equivalent to that offered by relative state interpretation where the original system is regarded as a subsystem of a larger system and the state of the original system is given by the partial trace of the state of the larger system.


The above three paragraphs are from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable

The energy of Space must be reduced to a 2-Dimensional field, this Surrounds Galaxies, not the other way around, kinda cute having the Milky-Way immersed within a 2-D field Energy!
 
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