Are My Definitions of Continuity and Uniform Continuity Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the definitions and interpretations of continuity and uniform continuity in the context of advanced calculus. Participants explore the nuances of these concepts, particularly focusing on the conditions under which a function is considered continuous or uniformly continuous.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines continuity using the epsilon-delta criterion, suggesting that a function is continuous at a point if for every epsilon, there exists a delta that depends on the point in question.
  • Another participant highlights that in the case of uniform continuity, the delta does not depend on the specific point, indicating a key distinction between the two concepts.
  • A later reply questions the completeness of the uniform continuity definition provided, noting that it does not fully capture the necessary conditions.
  • Participants discuss the implications of continuity on compact sets, with one asserting that a function continuous on a compact set is uniformly continuous, while another emphasizes that this is not the definition of uniform continuity itself.
  • There is a correction regarding the notation used in the definition of uniform continuity, pointing out a switch between epsilon and delta in the implication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the completeness and precision of the definitions provided, with some agreeing on the general concepts while others challenge specific interpretations and notations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and interpretations of continuity and uniform continuity.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions provided, particularly regarding the dependence of delta on x in the context of continuity and the completeness of the uniform continuity definition. Additionally, the notation used in the definitions has been questioned, indicating potential misunderstandings.

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I'm seeking a bit of affirmation or correction here before i try to solidify this to memory...

I know continuity to mean:
Let f:D -> R (D being an interval we know to be the domain, D)
Let x_0 be a member of the domain, D.
This implies that the function f is continuous at the point x_0 iff
for any e >0 there exists a d>0 such that x belongs to the domain, D AND |x-x_0|< d => |f(x)-f(x_0)| < e .

I interpret this to mean:
This is the criterion by which we judge if some function (f) is continuous at whatever-point-we-wish-to-test-for-continuity-at (x_0) over some interval that is, in the least, a subset of the domain (if not the entire domain itself).

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I know uniform continuity to mean:
Let a compact set, K be a subset of R. Let f:K->R. Then f is uniformly continuous on the set K.

I interpret this to mean:
The previous definition of continuity is now applicable to any and every point that is a member of the compact set, K. In other words, the interval/set over which K is defined satisfies the previous criterion of continuity at all points in K.

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Is there a need to adjust either my definition (as quoted by my prof. for an introductory advanced calculus class) or my interpretation of these concepts - or are they within a reasonable tolerance of "precise-ness" for the _actual_ definition/interpretation/distinction of the concept of continuity and of the concept of uniform continuity? Please advise, thank you!
 
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A simple way to look at it is in the definition of d. In the definition of continuity, d may depend on x. For uniform continuity, d is independent of x. In both cases, d will depend on e.
 
so in the case of continuity we select x, and in the case of uniform continuity we select delta in terms of epsilon?
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Also, it would probably be most helpful (at least to myself, if not others) if someone were to respond to the first post as if it were four True/False statements: (just like the old days)
IF a statement is True, THEN please say that "Yes, that statement (in it's entirety) is necessarily and sufficiently True." ELSE, the statement is FALSE.
If the statement is False, please explain why (what necessary and sufficient conditions - while also taking into considering the introductory nature/level of this material - were wrong and/or missing & what, if anything, is extraneous?).

This will hopefully eliminate a great deal of confusion and the potential for ambiguity. Also note that I'm not asking for an explanation here (unless what I have asserted is FALSE), I'm asking for an affirmation.

Thanks!
 
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Right:
We say that a function is continuous on an interval [itex]D[/itex] if for any [itex]x_0[/itex] on the interval, and for any [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex] there exists [tex]\delta > 0[/itex] with the property that [itex]x \in D[/itex] and [itex]| x_0 - x| < \delta[/itex] implies that [itex]|f(x)-f(x_0)| < \epsilon[/itex]<br /> <br /> A function is unformly continuous on an interval [itex]D[/itex] if for any [itex]\epsilon>0[/itex] there exists [itex]\delta > 0[/itex] so that for any [tex]x_1,x_2 \in D[/tex], [itex]|x_1-x_2|<\delta \Rightarrow |f(x_1)-f(x_2)| < \epsilon[/itex]<br /> <br /> For example [tex]f(x)=\frac{1}{x}[/tex] is contiuous, but not uniformly continuous on the interval [tex](0,+\infty)[/tex].[/tex]
 
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You don't actually define uniform continuity, so it's hard to say if you are correct or not in that.

A function that is continuous on a compact set is uniformly continuous, yes, but that isn't the definition.

Basically, a function is continuous at a point x in the domain if... etc ... *where d depends on both e and x*, so your definition is correct (I'm not at all sure what your interpretation is an interpretation of, though).

it is uniformly continuous if d can be chosen such that there is no dependence on x.
 
To NateTG: In your definition of uniform continuity, you switched epsilon and delta in the final implication.
 
mathman said:
To NateTG: In your definition of uniform continuity, you switched epsilon and delta in the final implication.

Oops. (fixing)
 

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