Boiling Water via New Solar Panel Method

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a large array of small mirrors to boil water using solar energy for a science project. Participants explore various methods of concentrating sunlight, including the use of fresnel lenses, parabolic concentrators, and mechanical tracking systems, while considering efficiency and cost-effectiveness.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using over 300 small mirrors to reflect sunlight to a focal point to boil water, questioning its feasibility.
  • Another participant asserts that this method is similar to solar thermal power stations, suggesting that motors may be necessary to keep the mirrors aligned with the sun.
  • A different participant suggests an alternative sun tracking method using a simple timer and a balanced pole, sharing their experience with a mirrored dish that did not achieve sufficient heat.
  • One participant raises critical questions about the project's requirements, such as the amount of water to be boiled, the energy needed, and the size of the mirrors required to achieve the desired results.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of a "solar death ray" and its potential for high energy concentration, suggesting a combination with a Stirling engine for energy production.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the effectiveness of different methods for concentrating solar energy. There is no consensus on the best approach, and several competing ideas are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention practical considerations such as the need for mechanical tracking and the size of the mirrors, but do not resolve the mathematical or physical implications of their proposals.

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Individuals interested in solar energy projects, DIY science experiments, or renewable energy solutions may find this discussion relevant.

Thundagere
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For a science project, I plan to come up with a reliable way to produce clean water from the sun. I've toyed with ideas of using fresnel lenses and parabolic concentrators, but none of them solved all the problems I had.
Then, I thought of using multiple—and when I say multiple I mean about 300+—small mirrors to reflect light.
Would this work? Reflect it all to a point—or a blotch, since points are technically impossible with diffraction—and boil water, the condense it in a different chamber? It would be cheap and easy, as well as efficient. However, since it's a project, I don't want to do it for nothing. Would it work?
 
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Sure it will work. This is basically what solar thermal power stations like this one do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESolar

Bear in mind that the mirrors will need motors on them to keep the sun focused on your boiler as the sun moves.
 
phyzguy said:
Sure it will work. This is basically what solar thermal power stations like this one do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESolar

Bear in mind that the mirrors will need motors on them to keep the sun focused on your boiler as the sun moves.

Thanks!
Instead of adding motors (Since cheapness is a major part of my experiment), could I just put them on a wooden structure and move the structure as the sun moves?
 
I'm thinking you can use a 24-hour plug timer from your local store $3 for the sun tracker, just attach a metal pole horizontal to the ground at the center of the timer and lay the other end of the pole in a hole/groove slick with grease and/or ball bearings, then place solar panel centered on the pole so that the weight is balanced evenly on both sides (add a balance to the other side of the pole if necessary, the batteries you will charge up make a good counter balance, plus a plug timer won't spin backwards). The panel/dish will rotate 360 degrees every 24 hours (facing the ground at night) and you only had to spend $3 to create the sun tracker built out of scraps. This works good for solar panels.

I built a mirrored dish out of a mini-dish and 1/2 inch mirrors 250+, but it wasn't hot enough to burn a paper plate much less boil water, it would sun burn my hand though, so a full size dish should do it with at least 2000 mirrors.

You could possibly use the plug timer as a flywheel, aim it up, with a pole pointing up attached to a toothed flywheel that turns another flywheel angled 90 degrees to rotate a dish balanced on one side, but you would need to suspend a little the water in a sealed glass bottle at the focal point of the parabolic dish, I don't see how you could use this for say steam power though. You would really need a huge dish(s), sun tracker, and steam engine to do that, like the ones shown in the Wikipedia entry above.
 
Thundagere said:
... It would be cheap and easy, as well as efficient. However, since it's a project, I don't want to do it for nothing. Would it work?

Well, this is the first question your project needs to answer, isn't it? How much water do you want to boil, what's the rate (say in grams per second)? How much energy does it take to boil those grams? What's the power you need to get your rate? How big does that mean your mirrors need to be? This sounds like a fun project!
 
guess you should search in youtube for solar death ray, which burns plastic, ipod everything, i am thinking of clubbing a solar death ray with sterling engine to produce infinite energy

solar death ray same concentration of power of 112 mirrors / suns. Here in India most of the months (about 9 months ) we have hot climate from 30-40 degree celsius
 

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