How Do You Solve a Composite Function Problem with Constants?

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The discussion revolves around solving a composite function problem involving constants in the context of polynomial equations. The original poster presents a function defined as f(x) = ax + b and a composite function f(3)(x) = 64x + 21, seeking to determine the values of constants a and b.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive relationships between the coefficients of the polynomials but expresses confusion regarding the number of variables and equations. Some participants suggest breaking down the polynomial equality into separate equations based on coefficients.

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Participants have engaged in exploring the relationships between the coefficients of the polynomials, leading to the identification of equations for a and b. There is a progression towards finding values for the constants, with some participants providing insights into polynomial equality.

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The original poster notes a challenge in finding three variables with only two equations, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem setup. The discussion includes varying interpretations of how to approach the problem and the implications of polynomial equality.

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Given f(x)=ax+b, and f(3)(x)=64x+21, find the values of the constants a and b.

(note: f(3)(x) means fff(x))


To me this seems like I have to use two equations to find the value of three variables, since when I have found a and b, I should be able to get the value of x. Even though it should be impossible to find the values of three variables (I don't know what the difference between an unknown constant and a variable is) with two equations I went ahead and started simplifying the equation hoping it to magically solve itself:

f(3)(x)=a(a(ax+b)+b)+b=a(a^2x+ab+b)+b

=>a^3x+a^2b+ab+b=64x+21

=>b(a^2+a+1)=64x+21-a^3x

=>b=(64x+21-a^3x)/(a^2+a+1)

And this is where I understood that the way I was going about solving the thing won't work (I need to find exact values, which are not dependent on any variables). I'm out of ideas for how to try and solve the question.

Thanks in advance
 
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After a^3x+a^2b+ab+b=64x+21 you should have two equations:

a^3 = 64
and a^2b+ab+b = 21

---> a = 4
and 4^2b + 4b +b = 21
16b + 4b +b = 21
21 b = 21
b = 21
 
Do you know what makes two polynomials equal? Two polynomials are equal if and only if their coefficients with respect to the variables are equal. For example, if
[tex]ax^2 + b = 16x^2 + 4[/tex]
then [tex]a=16[/tex] and [tex]b = 4[/tex]
 
Thanks a lot; I don't understand how I didn't notice that.

This is how I got the answer in case anyone's interested:

a^3x+(a^2b+ab+b)=64x+21

Therefore a^3=64 => a=4

a^2b+ab+b=21
=> b(4^2+4+1)=21 => b=21/21=1

Thank you
 

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