Can a point in S^3 be uniquely labeled by a 2 component Spinor?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between points in the 3-sphere (S^3) and two-component spinors, particularly exploring whether the topology of S^3 aligns with the space of all two-component spinors of unit norm. Participants also consider the implications of spinors in relation to orbits in S^3 and the nature of Dirac spinors.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that S^3 is isomorphic to SU(2), suggesting that a point in S^3 can be represented by a unit spinor.
  • Others question whether the topology of S^3 is equivalent to the space of two-component spinors with unit magnitude, pondering if a spinor multiplied by exp(iωt) could represent an orbit in S^3.
  • There is a discussion about the periodicity of the spinor evolution, with participants considering at what time a spinor returns to its starting point when expressed in terms of a specific angular frequency.
  • Some participants explore the idea of a Dirac spinor as potentially representing a pair of points in one or two three-spheres, raising questions about the nature of paths in this context.
  • Mathematical representations of SU(2) matrices and their relation to points in R^4 are discussed, with participants providing specific formulations and plotting paths in S^3.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between spinors and S^3, with no clear consensus reached on the equivalence of the two spaces or the implications of Dirac spinors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific mathematical assumptions and definitions that may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the periodicity of spinor representations and the nature of paths in S^3.

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Can a point in S^3 be uniquely labeled by a 2 component Spinor?

Thanks for any help!
 
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With a little more thought, I think my question could have been more precise. I guess what I'm really interested in is if the topology of S^3 is the same as the space of all two component spinors with magnitude (norm?) 1? Are they basically the same space? If so I wonder if a spinor times exp(iωt) could be thought of as an orbit in S^3?

Thanks for any help!

It might have been more appropriate to post in the "Topology & Geometry" group, I would move it if I could.
 
Yes, because SU(2) is isomorphic to S^3. We can represent a arbitrary SU(2) matrix by

U = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 & -z^*_2 \\ z_2 & z_1^*\end{pmatrix}, ~~ |z_1|^2 +|z_2|^2=1.

Then the unit spinor

\psi = U \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 \\ z_2 \end{pmatrix}

also represents a point on the sphere. The most general orbits would be obtained by writing

U(t) = \exp [i \sigma^a \theta_a(t) ]

and specifying the angles of rotation.
 
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Thanks fzero!

S^3 I think I can picture, but a spinor is more confusing to me. I guess it is a little less so now, thanks again.
 
Spinnor said:
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If so I wonder if a spinor times exp(iωt) could be thought of as an orbit in S^3?...

Let ω = 1 and let t = 0, at what time t do we come back to our starting place,

a) t = ∏/2

b) t = ∏

c) t = 2∏

d) t = 4∏

Thanks for any help!
 
Then can a Dirac spinor be thought of as a pair of points in a pair of three-spheres?

Or a pair of distinct points in a single three-sphere?

A general path looks like?

Thanks for any help!
 
Spinnor said:
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A general path looks like?

Thanks for any help!

A solution of the Dirac equation?
 
Spinnor said:
Let ω = 1 and let t = 0, at what time t do we come back to our starting place,

a) t = ∏/2

b) t = ∏

c) t = 2∏

d) t = 4∏

Thanks for any help!

Let,

U(t) = \exp [i \sigma^a \theta_a(t)] = \exp [i \sigma^z t]

act on \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}

Worked out below it looks like the answer is c.
 

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fzero said:
Yes, because SU(2) is isomorphic to S^3. We can represent a arbitrary SU(2) matrix by

U = \begin{pmatrix} z_1 & -z^*_2 \\ z_2 & z_1^*\end{pmatrix}, ~~ |z_1|^2 +|z_2|^2=1.

...

S^3 is the set of points in R^4 such that,

x^2 + y^2 + z^2 + w^2 = 1

I guess we can let z_1 and z_2 above be,

z_1 = z + iw
z_2 = x + iy

then |z_1|^2 +|z_2|^2=1

Now I can plot the path in S^3, z_1 = exp(it),

z = cos(t), w = sin(t)
 
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Let,

U(t) = \exp [i \sigma^a \theta_a(t)] = \exp [i \sigma^x t]

act on \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}

Worked out below.
 

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