Proving that cross partials in R^2 are equal if

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The discussion revolves around a theorem concerning the equality of cross partial derivatives in R^2, specifically under conditions of differentiability and continuity. Participants explore the implications of differentiability on continuity and the requirements for proving the equality of cross partials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states a theorem regarding the equality of cross partials, noting that continuity of the cross partials is a key condition.
  • Another participant suggests that the result follows trivially from the theorem in the referenced book and the implication that differentiability leads to continuity.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while differentiability of f_1 and f_2 ensures their continuity, it does not guarantee the continuity of f_12 and f_21, which is necessary for the original theorem.
  • Another participant proposes considering the intermediate value property of derivatives or examining the original proof to understand the necessity of the continuity condition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of the conditions for proving the equality of cross partials. There is no consensus on whether the continuity of f_12 and f_21 can be derived from the differentiability of f_1 and f_2.

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The discussion highlights the potential limitations in the assumptions regarding continuity and differentiability, as well as the specific conditions required for the theorem to hold true.

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There is a theorem stating the following:

Let f be defined in a neighborhood of (x0, y0) in R^2. Suppose f has partial derivatives f_1, f_2, f_12, and f_21 in this neighborhood and that the cross partials f_12 and f_21 are continuous at (x0, y0). Then the cross partials f_12 and f_21 are equal at (x0, y0).

This is a theorem proven in TBB's Elementary Real Analysis. It is stated that there are other conditions that could be met instead. I will reqrite the theorem with this other condition:

Let f be defined in a neighborhood of (x0, y0) in R^2. Suppose f has partial derivatives f_1, f_2, f_12, and f_21 in this neighborhood and that the partials f_1 and f_2 are differentiable at (x0, y0). Then the cross partials f_12 and f_21 are equal at (x0, y0).

How would you prove this or start a proof of this? No, this is not a homework problem, this is a theorem I'm curious about myself for my own satisfaction. Also, if my notation is not clear, f_1 is a partial derivative with respect to x, f_2 is the partial derivative with respect to y.
 
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Well, the result you want to prove follows trivially from the theorem in your book, along with the theorem that differentiability implies continuity. So I assume the latter is what you want to prove, right? See here.
 
lugita15 said:
Well, the result you want to prove follows trivially from the theorem in your book, along with the theorem that differentiability implies continuity. So I assume the latter is what you want to prove, right? See here.

Yes, differentiability implies continuity, but we are given f_1 and f_2 as being differentiable at (x0, y0), so this tells us that f_1 and f_2 are continuous there, but this does not say anything about the continuity of f_12 and f_21, which is the criteria in the first theorem I gave (the one proven in TBB).
 
You might try using the fact that derivatives have the intermediate value property.

Or just look at the proof of the original statement and see where and how the continuity of ##f_{12}## and ##f_{21}## is used. You might see how that condition is a bit more than necessary.
 

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