Does New Research Disprove Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle?

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The discussion centers around recent research that challenges the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the implications of "weak measurements" and how they relate to the original and modern formulations of the principle.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a BBC News article suggesting that recent experiments cast doubt on the HUP, particularly regarding the impact of observation on quantum events.
  • One participant summarizes that the modern version of the uncertainty principle differs from the original, emphasizing that the intrinsic uncertainty of quantum states exists regardless of measurement, and claims that the original formulation is mathematically incorrect.
  • Another participant clarifies that weak measurements yield average values rather than exact values, arguing that this does not violate the HUP.
  • There are references to previous threads discussing similar topics, indicating ongoing interest and debate within the community.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of weak measurements for the HUP, with some suggesting that the principle is challenged while others maintain that it remains valid in its modern interpretation. No consensus is reached on the validity of the claims made in the recent research.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the distinction between the original and modern formulations of the uncertainty principle, as well as the specific conditions under which weak measurements operate. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of these findings for the broader understanding of quantum mechanics.

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BBC NEws Story "refuting" HUP

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19489385
Pioneering experiments have cast doubt on a founding idea of the branch of physics called quantum mechanics. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is in part an embodiment of the idea that in the quantum world, the mere act of observing an event changes it. But the idea had never been put to the test, and a team writing in Physical Review Letters says "weak measurements" prove the rule was never quite right.

I did a double take when I read this, can someone please explain what it's all about?
 
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I took the important sentences from the full article:
The modern version of the uncertainty principle proved in our textbooks today, however, deals not with the precision of a measurement and the disturbance it introduces, but with the intrinsic uncertainty any quantum state must possess, regardless of what measurement (if any) is performed. These two readings of the uncertainty principle are typically taught side-by-side, although only the modern one is given rigorous proof. It has been shown that the original formulation is not only less general than the modern oneit is in fact mathematically incorrect...

Our work conclusively shows that, although correct for uncertainties in states, the form of Heisenberg's precision limit is incorrect if naively applied to measurement. Our work highlights an important fundamental difference between uncertainties in states and the limitations of measurement in quantum mechanics.
So, while the uncertainty coming from the disturbing influence of the measurement is smaller than Heisenberg's original formulation , the uncertainty principle itself remains valid (e.g. there is an intrinsic uncertainty any quantum system must possess).
 


hereafter "Uncertainity Relation"
 


It's about WEAK measurement, not ordinary measurement. Weak measurement determines only an AVERAGE value, not the actual value. For example, by weak measurement you can measure exactly average momentum at a given position, but not exact momentum at a given position. Therefore, HUP is not violated.

See also
https://www.physicsforums.com/blog.php?b=1225
https://www.physicsforums.com/blog.php?b=1226
https://www.physicsforums.com/blog.php?b=3077
 
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We already have threads on this, here and here.
 

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