How to incorporate spin into the wavefunction?

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The discussion revolves around the incorporation of spin into wavefunctions within the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, historical perspectives, and mathematical representations related to spin, particularly in non-relativistic quantum mechanics and its relation to the Schrödinger and Dirac equations.

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  • One participant questions whether spin kets should simply be multiplied with the wavefunction, indicating a lack of clarity in existing resources.
  • Another participant explains that spin degrees of freedom do not interfere with coordinate degrees of freedom, suggesting that the spin ket is multiplied with a wavefunction dependent on spatial or momentum coordinates.
  • There is a claim that spin is introduced in a somewhat ad hoc manner in non-relativistic quantum mechanics, with references to the historical context of its introduction by Pauli and Dirac.
  • A counterpoint is raised, arguing that spin is a logical consequence of Galilean theory and should not be viewed as ad hoc, referencing the work of Lévy-Leblond.
  • Further discussion highlights the quadratic nature of the Pauli Equation compared to the linear Dirac Equation, with emphasis on their historical development and implications.
  • Participants express differing views on whether the introduction of spin is a natural consequence of Galilean relativity or a corrective measure, indicating a nuanced debate over the historical and theoretical foundations of spin in quantum mechanics.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the characterization of spin's introduction in quantum mechanics. Some argue it is ad hoc, while others contend it is a logical consequence of underlying theories. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical developments and specific equations (Schrödinger, Pauli, Dirac) without reaching consensus on their implications for the understanding of spin. The discussion reflects a complex interplay of historical context and theoretical interpretation.

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I'm currently reading the Griffith book and he doesn't really explain this, do i just miltiply the spin kets with the wave function??
 
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I'd go for less mathematics this time:

Yes, the spin dof do not interfere with the coordinate dof which are used in the normal wavefunction,(= a spin 0 wavefunction), that's why there's a multiplication of the spin ket (a 1-column matrix with 2, 3, 4, etc. components) with a wavefunction depending on x,y,z (or px,py,pz if working in the momentum representation).
 
In non relativistic quantum mechanics spin is introduced in a rather ad hoc manner and by solving the Schrödinger eqn for say hydrogen atom one can introduce all quantum numbers but spin.Spin was introduced as another degree of freedom because it can not be obtained from Schrödinger eqn.However pauli introduced it for spin 1/2 by noting that p2 can be written as (σ.p)(σ.p),but it is still artificial.The logical way of introducing it was done by dirac for spin 1/2.
 
andrien said:
In non relativistic quantum mechanics spin is introduced in a rather ad hoc manner and by solving the Schrödinger eqn for say hydrogen atom one can introduce all quantum numbers but spin.Spin was introduced as another degree of freedom because it can not be obtained from Schrödinger eqn.However pauli introduced it for spin 1/2 by noting that p2 can be written as (σ.p)(σ.p),but it is still artificial.The logical way of introducing it was done by dirac for spin 1/2.

This is wrong. Spin is not introduced ad-hoc, it's a logical consequence of the Galilean theory, as is in specially relativistic quantum theory. The work of Lévy-Leblond in the 1960's should not be discarded.

Nonrelativistic particles and wave equations

Jean-Marc Lévy-Leblond; 286-311
Commun. math. Phys. 6, 286—311 (1967)

Page 289, to be precise.

http://projecteuclid.org/DPubS?serv...Display&page=toc&handle=euclid.cmp/1103840276
 
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I was saying it in historical way,nevertheless the reference you have given accepts the dirac original view to make a non-relativistic version of dirac eqn and it is not a logical consequence of Galilean theory because it nevertheless assumes linearity in both time and space derivative which was the original point of dirac in his paper.So i will still call it some way of fixing it,rather than some original motivation on Galilean relativity.
 
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The Pauli Equation, 1927, is quadratic, not linear, consequently it bears a strong resemblance to the Schrödinger Equation but not Dirac. Furthermore it was not advertised as a "nonrelativistic version" of the Dirac Equation, which was introduced in 1928, a year later.
 
andrien said:
I was saying it in historical way,nevertheless the reference you have given accepts the dirac original view to make a non-relativistic version of dirac eqn and it is not a logical consequence of Galilean theory because it nevertheless assumes linearity in both time and space derivative which was the original point of dirac in his paper.So i will still call it some way of fixing it,rather than some original motivation on Galilean relativity.

We're speaking of different things. The reference I've given was meant for the idea that
spin < ----- Galilean relativity, not only that spin < ------ Lorentz/Poincaré/Einstein/Minkowski relativity (thing which has been known since 1928). The issue with Galilei relativistic equations vs Lorentz relativistic equations is totally different and I was not addressing it (it's actually a very broad subject).
 

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