Attractive force from gauge particle exchange

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The discussion centers on the attractive force resulting from the exchange of gauge particles, specifically photons, in quantum electrodynamics (QED). Participants clarify that while photons can exert radiation pressure leading to repulsion, the attractive force between electrons and protons arises from the exchange of virtual photons, which are not directly observable but have measurable effects, such as the Lamb shift. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding virtual particles and their role in mediating forces without violating fundamental physical laws. A.Zee's "Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell" is recommended for a deeper understanding of these concepts.

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Photons are referred to as the field quanta for the electromagnetic field.

I would like to understand how the exchange of field quanta such as photons can create an attractive force.

For example, I can see that an electron could repel another electron by hitting it with photons. (radiation pressure ?)

How can the exchange of photons create an attractive force, though ?

For example, how does the exchange of photons cause the attraction of an electron to a proton ? If a proton emits photons that hit an electron, then Newton's third law would suggest that the electron and the proton should repel each other.

Please forgive my naivete if this type of simplistic "billiard ball" physics does no apply to elementary particles.
 
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These are exchange of virtual particles. Virtual particles are allowed to bend some rules which real particles must follow. You can for instance have a photon moving in one direction with a momentum in a different direction.
 
Thanks dauto,

I had read that these field quanta are virtual particles - distinct from standard photons, etc. I would appreciate a link or other reference that explains virtual particles without oversimplification. In this case the oversimplification of some popular physics articles has lead to misconceptions such as in my original question above.

Have these virtual photons been identified (observed) experimentally ?
 
tommybee said:
Thanks dauto,

I had read that these field quanta are virtual particles - distinct from standard photons, etc. I would appreciate a link or other reference that explains virtual particles without oversimplification. In this case the oversimplification of some popular physics articles has lead to misconceptions such as in my original question above.

Have these virtual photons been identified (observed) experimentally ?

Virtual particles cannot be observed directly but their effects can. For instance the lamb shift ix explainable as a consequence of the emission and subsequent absorption of virtual photons.
 
A simple explanation for the attractive force in QED works w/o virtual particles. A sketch of the general idea is

fix the gauge

##A_0=0##

solve Gauß law constraint

##\nabla E = \rho##

and replace the term

##A_0\,\rho##

in the Hamiltonian with the solution for the Gauß law:

##\int d^3x\,d^3y\,\frac{\rho(x)\,\rho(y)}{|x-y|}##

This shows that the Coulomb potential does not depend on "virtual particles.
 
Maybe not explicitly, but it seems to me that the 1/|x-y| term is essentially the propagator of a virtual photon.
 
If you like you can interpret it that way, but it's not necessary; all physical (transversal) photon d.o.f. contribute to other terms in the Hamiltonian
 
I think A.Zee's book "Quantum field theory in a nutshell", gives a good explanation, just in the first chapter.
 

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