How Did Space Charge Impact Reagan's Star Wars Particle Beam Weapons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the challenges and methods related to containing charged particle beams in the context of Reagan's Star Wars program, specifically focusing on the implications of space charge and other technical hurdles faced in the development of particle beam weapons.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that charged particle beams in space disperse due to the lack of controlled magnetic fields, leading to the need for neutralization of high-energy particles.
  • Concerns are raised about the effects of the Earth's atmosphere and magnetic field on particle beam weapons, including energy loss from collisions with atmospheric molecules and subsequent ion interactions with the magnetic field.
  • There are mentions of various proposed methods to overcome these challenges, though some participants express uncertainty about the feasibility and public availability of these ideas.
  • The discussion highlights significant logistical issues, such as the power requirements for multi-megawatt reactors and the high costs associated with launching the necessary technology into space.
  • One participant notes that the Reagan administration eventually recognized the impracticality of their plans, while another participant humorously suggests that physicists quickly identified the fundamental issue of space charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the impracticality of the proposed methods for charged particle beam weapons, but there is no consensus on the specific reasons or the viability of alternative solutions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved technical details regarding the proposed methods to contain charged particle beams and the dependence on specific definitions of terms like "space charge." The discussion does not resolve the feasibility of the various ideas mentioned.

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Does anyone know what were the methods suggested to contain charged particle beams in Reagan's Star Wars program and why did the suggested methods fail?
 
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sid_galt said:
Does anyone know what were the methods suggested to contain charged particle beams in Reagan's Star Wars program and why did the suggested methods fail?
:smile:

Actually, with a 'charged' particle beam in space, i.e. not inside an accelerator where the dispersion is controlled by the magnetic field, one gets a dispersed beam. So the high energy particles, light nuclei, have to be neutralized. The idea was to deploy particle beams (also laser beams and kinetic energy projectiles) against ICBM warheads, but that only works out if the warheads get out of the atmosphere.

In general, in addition to getting a good beam density, there were two problems for the particle beam weapons - 1) the Earth's atmosphere, 2) the Earth's magnetic field. Collisions with the atmospheric (air) molecules cause ionziation (loss of energy), and then the ions would interact with the Earth's magnetic field.

There were some ideas of how to overcome those issues, but I'm not sure if they have been released in the public domain. Some were pretty nutty ideas. :biggrin:

There was also the issue of the power source - Multi-megawatt reactors and power plants. This was another major problem. The various concepts weighed a lot, e.g. on the order of 10-100 MT (10,000 - 100,000 kgs), and at about $10,000/kg ($100 million - 1 billion/platform just to get them into space), it would have been very expensive to establish a network.

The available HLLV's were limited. Then look at what the space shuttle can handle - and the fact that the fleet of 5 has managed 107 missions with the loss of 2 craft!

It took awhile, but the Reagan administration finally figured out their plan just wouldn't work.
 
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So in effect it is virtually impossible to make the things work. Good thing anyway, I wouldn't have liked the Soviets to get such a capability.

Anyway, Thanks for the info. :)
 
Astronuc said:
It took awhile, but the Reagan administration finally figured out their plan just wouldn't work.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), it took physicists, especially accelerator physicists, only 2 seconds to figure out it wouldn't work - the length of time to say "space charge".

Zz.
 

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