Acceleration of Universe: Friedmann Equations

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The discussion revolves around the use of the Friedmann equations to determine the acceleration of the universe at a given time. Participants explore the implications of the scale factor, its derivatives, and the necessary conditions for calculating acceleration, including the roles of density and pressure in cosmological models.

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  • Some participants suggest that the Friedmann equations can be used to find the acceleration of the universe, defined as the second time derivative of the scale factor, but emphasize the need for knowledge of density and pressure as functions of time.
  • Others argue that the scale factor is dimensionless and does not represent a physical length scale, leading to the conclusion that its derivatives do not correspond to conventional definitions of speed or acceleration.
  • A participant references a specific equation from a cosmology handbook to calculate the acceleration, noting the complexity introduced by the cosmological constant and the need for cosmological calculators for accurate results.
  • Some participants discuss the dependency of the scale factor on the chosen form of the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker (FRW) metric, suggesting that this affects the interpretation of acceleration.
  • There are inquiries about the relationship between time and the scale factor, with some participants indicating that numerical integration is used to derive these relationships rather than a direct equation.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and implications of acceleration in the context of the Friedmann equations. There is no consensus on whether the scale factor's derivatives can be interpreted as conventional acceleration, and multiple competing interpretations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific cosmological models and parameters, as well as the need for numerical methods to derive relationships between time and the scale factor. The discussion also highlights the complexity introduced by the presence of a cosmological constant and varying energy densities over time.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying cosmology, particularly in the context of the Friedmann equations, the scale factor, and the dynamics of the universe's expansion.

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Using the friedmann equations, is it possible to find the acceleration of the universe at a given time?
 
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Hi, Ledsnyder, and welcome to PF!

If you define "the acceleration of the universe" as the second time derivative of the scale factor, then yes, the Friedmann equations (specifically the second one) can be used to solve for it. However, in order to find a solution, you have to know the density ##\rho## and the pressure ##p## as a function of time. If there is a cosmological constant (as we think there is in our actual universe), you have to know that as well.
 
Ledsnyder said:
Using the friedmann equations, is it possible to find the acceleration of the universe at a given time?

Not if you think of acceleration as something measured in Length/Time2

The scale factor is a dimensionless quantity a(t) normalized so that a(present) = 1.

It has no Length scale.

So the first derivative of the scale factor is a "PER UNIT TIME" quantity. It is not a speed. It is not a Length/time quantity. And the second derivative of the scale factor is not an acceleration (not a change in speed).
It is a "PER UNIT TIME PER UNIT TIME" quantity.

the "speed of expansion of the universe" at a given time is not defined,
and the "acceleration of the universe" at a given time is not defined.

Ben Crowell has a cosmology FAQ about this. Shouldn't we promote his FAQ items more?, some are pretty good. :^)
 
marcus said:
The scale factor is a dimensionless quantity a(t) normalized so that a(present) = 1.

Doesn't this depend on which form of the FRW metric you adopt? I believe there is at least one form where all three spatial coordinates are "angular", so to speak, i.e., they don't have any "length scale" by themselves. In this form, the length scale is in the scale factor.

I agree, though, that since even if the above is true, it's coordinate-dependent, the scale factor is best not thought of as a "distance", so its second time derivative is not an "acceleration" in the ordinary sense of the term. I should have made that clearer in my post.
 
Ledsnyder said:
Using the friedmann equations, is it possible to find the acceleration of the universe at a given time?

The solution I use is from the handbook 'Principles of Physical Cosmology', PJE Peebles, 1993 (Princeton Press), Eq 5.54, pp. 100:

\ddot{a} = a H_0^2(\Omega_{\Lambda}-\Omega_m/(2a^3))

To find it at a given time, you need to find a for your desired time, which is not so easy when a cosmological constant is present. With nifty use of cosmological calculators (like Lightcone 7 in my sig), one can however find it quite accurately.

Give it a try...

PS: if you want to work with a < ~1/3000 (which is t < ~65,000 yrs), you should include a radiation energy density term, because radiation was then dominant.

\ddot{a} = a H_0^2(\Omega_{\Lambda}-\Omega_m/(2a^3) -\Omega_r/a^4)

The 2013 density paramaters parameters are (in the order they appear in the brackets): 0.7, 0.3, 0.3/3400
 
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T (Gy) R (Gly)
0.00037338 0.00062840
0.00249614 0.00395626
0.01530893 0.02347787
0.09015807 0.13632116
0.52234170 0.78510382
2.97769059 4.37361531
13.78720586 14.39993199
32.88494318 17.18490043
47.72506282 17.29112724
62.59805320 17.29930703
77.47372152 17.29980205
92.34940681 17.29990021is there an equation that relates T and R?
 
Ledsnyder said:
is there an equation that relates T and R?

I am not aware of a direct equation, so I use numerical integration to independently find T and R (the latter being the Hubble radius in 'Lightcone 7'). It is then possible to read off (or plot) R against T. The equations used in Lightcone 7 are here: http://cosmocalc.wikidot.com/advanced-user.

The same goes for any of the D's, e.g. if you are interested in the radius of the observable universe over time, you can make a table including T and and the particle horizon (Dparticle in Lightcone 7).

Please ask if you need further clarification.
 
Jorrie said:
I am not aware of a direct equation, so I use numerical integration to independently find T and R (the latter being the Hubble radius in 'Lightcone 7'). It is then possible to read off (or plot) R against T.

George Jones has given a useful set of equations in your "Hubble Radius and time" thread. It is valid where radiation energy density is negligible when compared to the other densities. For times later than some 65,000 years, you can thus find a(t) for any chosen time.

However, AFAIK, you would still need to use a cosmological calculator to find some of other distances from the calculated a(t), e.g. to find the radius of the observable universe at that time. If anyone knows of a good approximation for Dparticle for the present matter-dark energy epoch, please let us know.
 

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