1.1.21 simplify rational expression

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around simplifying the rational expression $\left(\dfrac{a^2b^3-2a^{-3}b^3}{2a}\right)^2$. Participants explore various methods of simplification, including handling negative exponents and the representation of fractions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that it may be beneficial to simplify by cancelling "a" before squaring the expression.
  • Another participant proposes factoring out $b^3$ and squaring it, leading to an expression with negative exponents in the numerator.
  • Concerns are raised about the presence of negative exponents, with some participants questioning whether this is a problem.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of negative exponents and whether they can be considered fractions, with differing opinions on the matter.
  • Some participants argue that $a^{-3}$ is not a fraction, while others assert that it can be represented as $\frac{1}{a^3}$, leading to a debate about the nature of numerals versus numbers.
  • One participant mentions that they have seen examples where terms with negative exponents are moved to the denominator, indicating a common approach in simplification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of negative exponents and the definition of fractions. There is no consensus on whether negative exponents should be considered fractions or how to best simplify the expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a resolution regarding the simplification methods, and there are unresolved definitions and interpretations of mathematical terms involved in the discussion.

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$\left(\dfrac{a^2b^3-2a^{-3}b^3}{2a}\right)^2=$
OK this could get confusing quickly
but I don't think we want to square it first
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Yes, it can be simplified by cancelling "a" before squaring.
(The "2" in the denominator is already simple.)
$\frac{\left(ab^3-2a^{-4}b^3\right)^2}{4}$

Of course we can also factor out that $b^3$ that is in each term. Squaring it gives $b^6$.

$\frac{b^6(a- 2a^{-4})^2}{4}$

Now it is relatively easy to square $a- 2a^{-4}$.
$(a- 2a^{-4})^2= a^2- 2(a)(2a^{-4})+ (2a^{-4})^2$
$= a^2- 4a^{-3}+ 4a^{-8}$

$\frac{b^6(a^2-4a^{-3}+4a^{-8}}{4}$.
 
ok we still have negative exponents in the numerator??
 
Is that a problem? Different people have different ideas of what "simple" is. If you don't want negative exponents, remember what a negative exponent means:
$\frac{b^2- 4a^{-3}+ 4a^{-8}}{4}= \frac{b^2- 4\frac{1}{a^{3}}+ 4\frac{1}{a^{8}}}{4}$

Now, to eliminate the "fractions in fractions", multiply both numerator and denominator by $a^8$
$\frac{a^8b^3- 4a^5+ 4}{4a^8}$
 
well the few examples I saw they brought the terms with negative exponents in the numerator to the denumerator
 
That is exactly what I did!
 
Country Boy said:
That is exactly what I did!

yes but you created fractions over over a fraction $ \dfrac{a^{-3}}{4}=\dfrac{1}{4a^3}$

anyway,, just being cranky
 
No, a^{-3} is not a fraction!
 
why not the exponent is positive
 
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Country Boy said:
No, a^{-3} is not a fraction!

It is when it's written as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{a^3} \end{align*}$...
 
  • #11
Yes, $\frac{1}{x^3}$ is a fraction. $x^{-3}$ is NOT.
It is a matter of the difference in numerals, not numbers.
 
  • #12
numerals?
 
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  • #13
Country Boy said:
Yes, $\frac{1}{x^3}$ is a fraction. $x^{-3}$ is NOT.
It is a matter of the difference in numerals, not numbers.

Do you realize that you are saying that two amounts that are equivalent are simultaneously a fraction and not a fraction?
 
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they just said move the terms with negative exponents in the numerator to the denominator
the bell rang and I left
no fancy stuff
 
  • #15
Prove It said:
Do you realize that you are saying that two amounts that are equivalent are simultaneously a fraction and not a fraction?
Yes, I am. They are two different numerals that repreent the same number. The term "fraction" has to do with the way a number is represented, it is not a property of the number itself.
 

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