Is there a mathematical loophole that allows 1 to equal 2?

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The discussion revolves around a humorous exploration of a mathematical claim that suggests 1 equals 2, initiated by a participant sharing a flawed proof. The scope includes mathematical reasoning, invalid proofs, and related concepts in number theory.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a flawed proof claiming 1 = 2, which involves manipulating equations that lead to division by zero.
  • Another participant points out the invalidity of the proof due to division by zero, emphasizing that the step leading to a conclusion of 1 = 2 is not valid.
  • Some participants express familiarity with this type of flawed proof, noting that it has been shared multiple times in the forum.
  • There is mention of more intricate proofs that also lead to incorrect conclusions, with a request for examples of such proofs.
  • Links to external resources containing similar false proofs are shared by participants.
  • Discussion includes references to other mathematical claims, such as 0.999... equaling 1, and a request for a complex integral that purportedly leads to a false conclusion.
  • One participant expresses interest in the integral proof shared, indicating a desire to use it to confuse others.
  • Another participant corrects a step in the integral proof, pointing out an error in the handling of negative signs.
  • There is a suggestion that the integral of x^x cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions, although this is not universally accepted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the initial proof claiming 1 = 2 is invalid due to division by zero. However, there are multiple competing views regarding the existence and nature of other flawed proofs, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the complexity and validity of various mathematical claims.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference previous discussions on similar topics, indicating a history of exploring flawed mathematical proofs. The conversation includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the validity of certain integrals.

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Readers interested in mathematical fallacies, proofs, and discussions surrounding number theory and calculus may find this thread engaging.

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1 = 2?? what's going on here??

Haha, just wanted to show this, because its just so funny. I'm sure some of you have seen it before.

a = b
a^2 = b^2
a^2 - b^2 = ab - b^2
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
a+b=b
b+b=b
2b=b
2=1
 
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Oh dear, you didn`t happen to divide by zero did you?
 
If a = b then a - b = 0.

So this step:

(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
a+b=b

Is not valid as you are dividing by zero. For example:

1*0 = 2*0

This does not prove 1 = 2.
 
Not only have "some" of us seen it before, it has been posted on this board more times that I want to remember!
 
The invalid step in this proof looks relatively obvious to me. I've seen some more intricate ones that aren't nearly as such, and take some time to figure out. (We've already had a few posts like this in the past, so I won't post them.)
 
hah, alrite, u guys saw it right away, it took me a little longer when i first saw it. I just though it would be fun to see some people's responses. :D
 
[sarcasm] this forum needs more post about how 1=0 and how .99999… doesn’t = 1 [/sarcasm]
 
Gza said:
The invalid step in this proof looks relatively obvious to me. I've seen some more intricate ones that aren't nearly as such, and take some time to figure out. (We've already had a few posts like this in the past, so I won't post them.)

Just out of personal interest, could someone post or email me one of these more intricate and less noticable ones? I feel it would be an amusing email to confuse a few friends with.
 
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Has anyone seen the, either 101, or 151, or 351 [?] page proof that 1 + 1 = 2?

I can't remember the page number for sure but the last page was posted in the office of a math professor of mine. I think it was done as a thesis to show that certain theories were consistent; like number theory and set theory, for example.
 
  • #11
Muzza said:
There are a few other here:

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.false.proof.html
http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/second1eq2.html

I've seen one which involves integrals, but I can't find it...
Try integrating e^x \cosh x by parts:

u = \cosh x
v' = e^x

\int e^x \cosh x dx = e^x \cosh x - \int e^x \sinh x dx

Using by parts method again on e^x \sinh x

s = \sinh x
t' = e^x

\int e^x \cosh x dx = e^x \cosh x - e^x \sinh x + \int e^x \cosh x dx

0 = e^x \cosh x - e^x \sinh x

\cosh x = \sinh x

And this reduces down to 1 = -1.
 
  • #12
there is a proof in the philosophy section about .999999999999999999999 = 1 using a geometric series
 
  • #13
garytse86 said:
there is a proof in the philosophy section about .999999999999999999999 = 1 using a geometric series
I assume you mean 0.99\overline{9}=1 and there are many proofs of this.
 
  • #14
Interesting!, thanks for the links and integral 'proof'. I'll be sure to use that to confuse a few people ^^.
 
  • #15
Zurtex said:
Try integrating e^x \cosh x by parts:

u = \cosh x
v' = e^x

\int e^x \cosh x dx = e^x \cosh x - \int e^x \sinh x dx
Count up the negative signs: one from subtracting the result of the integration by parts, and one for using the derivative of \cosh x, which is -\sinh x. You should be adding the the antiderivative, not subtracting it.
 
  • #16
i donno if it was posted here.. anyone can take on this:

\int x^x dx
 
  • #17
cronxeh said:
i donno if it was posted here.. anyone can take on this:

\int x^x dx
Sorry I don't believe that is expressible in terms of elementary functions.
 

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