1-D Projectile Motion: Throwing a Rock

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The problem involves a rock being thrown straight up from a bridge, which passes the thrower after 5 seconds and falls 21 meters to the water below. The subject area is kinematics, specifically one-dimensional projectile motion, with a focus on deriving equations of motion without air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of kinematic equations, particularly the relationship between initial and final velocities, acceleration, and displacement. There is an emphasis on understanding the variables involved in the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging in deriving equations and clarifying definitions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the meanings of variables in the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the derivation process itself.

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There is a noted desire to avoid memorization of equations, with participants expressing a need to understand the derivation from basic principles. The original poster's approach to the problem and the equations used are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


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You throw a small rock straight up from the edge of a highway bridge that crosses a river. The rock passes you on its way down, 5.00 s after it was thrown. What is the speed of the rock just before it reaches the water 21.0 m below the point where the rock left your hand? Ignore air resistance.

Homework Equations


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y= y0+v0t-1/2*gt2
v= v0 -1/2*gt.

The Attempt at a Solution


I used v= v0 -1/2*gt to arrive at the velocity that the rock was going at the moment it was passing the hand. My answer was v= 0- 1/2*(9.8m/s2), which gave me 24.5m/s. I have an idea of where to go from here. I know I need to use v2 − 2g(y − y 0).

My issue is that I don't want to just memorize the equation. I need help deriving it from the two basic equations: y= y0+v0t-1/2*gt2 and v= v0 -1/2*gt. Once I do that, I believe I can finish the problem on my own.
 
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So, you want to derive?

##v^2 - u^2 = 2as##
 
PeroK said:
So, you want to derive?

##v^2 - u^2 = 2as##

I think so, although I'm not sure what the s and u are for.
 
Jarvis88 said:
I think so, although I'm not sure what the s and u are for.

##u## is the initial velocity and ##s## is the displacement. I'm not sure why ##s## is used, but it's fairly standard.
 
Here's my favourite derivation, as it reflects the way I think about kinematic problems:

##v^2-u^2 = (v-u)(v+u)##

Now:

##v-u = at##

Because the difference between the final and initial velocities is just the acceleration multiplied by the time.

And:

##\frac{v+u}{2} = v_{avg} \ \ ## is the average velocity (when you have constant acceleration). Hence:

##v+u = 2v_{avg}##

And

##s = v_{avg}t \ \ ## because the displacement is simply the average velocity multiplied by the time.

So, putting this all together:

##(v-u)(v+u) = at(v+u) = 2atv_{avg} = 2as##
 
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Jarvis88 said:

Homework Equations


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y= y0+v0t-1/2*gt2
v= v0 -1/2*gt.

You need to check where you got this second equation from.
 

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