1999 AP Physics C Mech: Conservation of momentum and energy

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The equation (1/2)(mv0)^2 = 1/2(M+m0)gh is invalid for conservation of energy due to the dimensional inconsistency of the terms involved; specifically, (1/2)mv0 represents momentum, not energy. The discussion clarifies that while momentum is conserved in the collision between the dart and the block, kinetic energy is not conserved, indicating that the collision is inelastic. The total momentum remains zero before and after the collision, but the kinetic energy drops to zero post-collision, confirming the inelastic nature of the interaction.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
Conservation of momentum and energy
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Why is (1/2)(mv0)^2 = 1/2(M+m0)gh not a valid equation for conservation of energy?

Isn't the energy from when the dart is shot the same as when the two masses move at speed v?
 
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j04015 said:
Homework Statement: Check image
Relevant Equations: Conservation of momentum and energy

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Why is (1/2)mv0 = 1/2(M+m0)gh not a valid equation for conservation of energy?

Isn't the energy from when the dart is shot the same as when the two masses move at speed v?
Your question is whether the collision between the dart and block is elastic or not?
 
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j04015 said:
Why is (1/2)mv0 = 1/2(M+m0)gh not a valid equation for conservation of energy?
Because ##\frac{1}{2}mv_0## has dimensions of momentum and not energy.
 
kuruman said:
To answer the first question,

Because ##\frac{1}{2}mv_0## has dimensions of momentum and not energy.
Whoops, typo. I meant (1/2)(mv0)^2
 
PeroK said:
Your question is whether the collision between the dart and block is elastic or not?
PeroK said:
Your question is whether the collision between the dart and block is elastic or not?
If the collision wasn't elastic the entire problem doesn't make sense.
 
j04015 said:
If the collision wasn't elastic the entire problem doesn't make sense.
That statement is false!
 
... the collision is manifestly and totally inelastic!
 
PeroK said:
... the collision is manifestly and totally inelastic!
I see the issue now. Momentum is conserved but not energy. Thanks!
 
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j04015 said:
I see the issue now. Momentum is conserved but not energy. Thanks!
You can see that if you consider what's going on in the center of mass frame. Before the collision, both dart and block move with opposite momenta. Total momentum is zero and the kinetic energy is non-zero. After the collision, the dart and the block are at rest. Total momentum is zero (conserved) and total kinetic energy is also zero (not conserved).
 
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kuruman said:
You can see that if you consider what's going on in the center of mass frame. Before the collision, both dart and block move with opposite momenta. Total momentum is zero and the kinetic energy is non-zero. After the collision, the dart and the block are at rest. Total momentum is zero (conserved) and total kinetic energy is also zero (not conserved).
The conservation of energy equations will not be compatible with conservation of energy in any frame if you assume that the dart sticks. However, I agree that considering the com frame makes it very explicit.
 

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