1D Particle in a box - locations at set probability

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the locations within a one-dimensional box where the probability of finding an electron, described by a wavefunction, is half of its maximum value. The context is a homework problem involving quantum mechanics, specifically the particle in a box model.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes setting the wavefunction squared equal to 0.5 to find the corresponding position x.
  • Another participant corrects the assumption about the maximum value of the wavefunction squared, indicating it is not 1.
  • A participant suggests that maxima can be determined through differentiation of the wavefunction squared.
  • One participant notes that the maximum value can also be inferred by inspection due to the properties of sine functions.
  • Another participant simplifies the expression, indicating that constants can be factored out, but expresses uncertainty about the next steps.
  • A participant questions the maximum value of the sine function, prompting a discussion about its properties.
  • It is stated that the maximum of sin(x) is 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach finding the locations of the probability, with some focusing on differentiation and others on inspection. There is no consensus on a definitive method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps required to find the specific locations corresponding to half the maximum probability, and assumptions about the wavefunction's behavior are not fully articulated.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and enthusiasts of quantum mechanics, particularly those studying the particle in a box model and related mathematical techniques.

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Homework Statement



An electron is confined to the region of the x-axis between x = 0 and x = L (where L = 1nm). Given a state n = 3, find the location of the points in the box at which the probability of finding the electron is half it's maximum value

Homework Equations



\psi^2(x)=\frac{2}{L}\sin^2\left(\frac{n\pi x}{L}\right)

The Attempt at a Solution



I understand that the wavefunction squared (above) gives the probability at location x, and its integration gives the probability over set regions between x = 0 and x = l. However, the only way I can see of finding x from a given probability is to assume:

\psi^2(x)=0.5

and try to manipulate the equation to give it in terms of x. Is this the right method? If so, how do I take out the sine term?

Cheers
 
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The maximum value of ψ2(x) is not 1.
 
Ah, I see - half the maximum value. I'm guessing it'd only be 1 if we were considering the entire box, not one point.

Alright, so you determine the maxima by differentiation?

\frac{d\psi^2(x)}{dx}=2\sin\left(\frac{n\pi x}{L}\right)\cos\left(\frac{n\pi x}{L}\right)=0
 
The rigorous way to determine the maxima would be by differentiation, as you said. However, ψ2 has a fairly simple formula and from what you know about sine functions, you should be able to see the maximum value by inspection.
 
Hmmm... okay, let's simplify this: 2/L is just a constant, and so's \frac{n\pi}{L}, so that gives us:

\psi^2(x)=A\sin^2\left(ax)

Sine functions go to 1 when ax = 90, and since sin2(ax) is :

\sin^2\left(ax) = \sin\left(ax)\sin\left(ax)

This means... I'm seriously clutching at straws

Hey, I'm a chemist - I'm amazed I've managed this much
 
What is the largest value sin(x) can give?

Being a chemist is no excuse for not knowing math (unless of course, you're a biochemist :p)!
 
The maximum of sin(x) is 1
 

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